Christian Seberino wrote:
On Sun, March 25, 2007 9:26 pm, Lan Barnes wrote:
Prayer is NOT illegal anywhere. FORCED prayer is in government funded
institutions. Can't you discern the difference?
If I'm not mistaken, you couldn't give a graduation commencement address
and ask for a *voluntary* prayer before you started.
Even your beloved Jefferson mentioned God in his Declaration Of
Independence.
Jefferson was a self-declared deist,
So what? And deist != atheist.
It's not as far away from it as you might think. deist ~= agnostic
That's a stretch. Jefferson's Declaration of Independence says that the
source of our inalienable rights is God. Now does the Declaration of
Independence say that or not?
They didn't want to *force* people to believe in Christianity but the
vast
majority would certainly be happy if more people followed the teachings
of
Christianity....be honest, help your neighbor, be faithful to your wife,
etc.
Why do you think that? Sexually repressed, superstitious, denying the
evidence of the senses and conclusions of reason? This is better for
everybody?
You didn't answer the question..unless you think Christianity teaches one
to be sexually repressed, superstitious and unreasonable? Can you show me
where in the New Testament it says that? I'm not sure your own comments
are, to use your words, "conclusions of reason".
Chris
Paul doesn't specify "sexual" repression, but he *definitely* speaks of
the repression of strong desires:
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not
known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had
said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner
of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came,
sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto
death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it
slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin,
that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good;
that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not;
but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it
is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good
thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is
good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not,
that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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Romans 8
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ
Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free
from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin,
condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk
not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is
life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject
to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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