On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Harald Sitter <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Valorie Zimmerman > <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Harald Sitter <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jonathan Riddell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:13:37AM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Jonathan Riddell <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > writing the status here before we forget it.. >>>>> > >>>>> > scarlett kindy did the backports of kf5 into utopic using the >>>>> > kubuntu-ninjas >>>>> > PPA (after some faff failing to get the kubuntu-next/staging ppa to >>>>> > accept >>>>> > them) >>>>> > they were copied to kubuntu-ppa/next but then we had reports of them >>>>> > causing >>>>> > failed upgrades so they were deleted >>>>> > I tidied up the backport of kglobalaccel which was breaking the upgrades >>>>> > Now when I try to copy them over to kubuntu-ppa/next it complains there >>>>> > is >>>>> > already that version of the package in kubuntu-ppa/next even though >>>>> > there is >>>>> > not >>>>> > >>>>> > if someone has the energy for it they can bump the version numbers in >>>>> > the >>>>> > packages in kubuntu-ninjas and get them all to compile again them copy >>>>> > them >>>>> > to kubuntu-ppa/next. But i'm mostly out of energy for it :( >>>>> > >>>>> > Jonathan >>>>> >>>>> Are we actually supporting next and next-backports for 14.10? My >>>>> broken system makes it appear that we are not. >>>>> >>>>> I suggest that we remove the notice about those in the KDE wiki, and >>>>> suggest people either use one of the ISOs for 14.10 or install Beta 1 >>>>> Vivid. >>>>> >>>>> I've never had an upgrade leave me unable to login to KDE before. Not >>>>> a good experience. I know that the next and next-backports are testing >>>>> material, so I was fairly warned. But we've run out of time to support >>>>> them, so let's cut our losses and put our energy into Vivid. >>>> >>>> This sounds like a realistic idea to me. We don't seem to have the >>>> energy needed for a kf5 backport, we've said there won't be an upgrade >>>> root for 14.10 plasma5 to 15.04, so we'd be perfectly ok it's just a >>>> tech preview and it won't get any better. >>> >>> how does one prevent the user from upgrading if they have next packages? >>> >>> HS >> >> The user will be unable to upgrade, if my experience is at all common. >> If there are no updates, they won't be tempted to, right? > > They will be able to upgrade to 15.04. It just will break their system. > >> We warned next users long ago that upgrade to 15.04 would not be >> supported. > > That's my point. We didn't. We warned people who read our web > resources (website, wiki wherever we put that information). If a user > got information on installing plasma5 from a third party they will > most certainly not have gotten this warning (in part because we > weren't pushing it a lot). In fact even if they used our board tools > (add-apt-repository) to add the PPA they would not have been informed > of the support status of the PPA as the description says nothing about > support [1]. > So all those users know is that they re running plasma5. At some point > they'll be prompted to upgrade to 15.04 and then things will go boom > and the users will get pissed off and complain somewhere about the > shitty upgrade and then whoever they complained to will get pissed off > because 3 million people all complain about the same thing and then we > will get pissed off for having blown up innocent systems. > >> What I'm advocating is no more upgrades in next or next >> backports in 14.10 either. > > Less work is always fine with me ;) > > [1] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next
Perhaps we need to start spreading the word in various places. Any suggestions about what to say, and where, and how often? Valorie -- kubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
