On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Harald Sitter <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Valorie Zimmerman > <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Harald Sitter <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Valorie Zimmerman >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Harald Sitter <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jonathan Riddell <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:13:37AM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Jonathan Riddell <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > writing the status here before we forget it.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > scarlett kindy did the backports of kf5 into utopic using the >>>>>>> > kubuntu-ninjas >>>>>>> > PPA (after some faff failing to get the kubuntu-next/staging ppa to >>>>>>> > accept >>>>>>> > them) >>>>>>> > they were copied to kubuntu-ppa/next but then we had reports of them >>>>>>> > causing >>>>>>> > failed upgrades so they were deleted >>>>>>> > I tidied up the backport of kglobalaccel which was breaking the >>>>>>> > upgrades >>>>>>> > Now when I try to copy them over to kubuntu-ppa/next it complains >>>>>>> > there is >>>>>>> > already that version of the package in kubuntu-ppa/next even though >>>>>>> > there is >>>>>>> > not >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > if someone has the energy for it they can bump the version numbers in >>>>>>> > the >>>>>>> > packages in kubuntu-ninjas and get them all to compile again them >>>>>>> > copy them >>>>>>> > to kubuntu-ppa/next. But i'm mostly out of energy for it :( >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Jonathan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are we actually supporting next and next-backports for 14.10? My >>>>>>> broken system makes it appear that we are not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suggest that we remove the notice about those in the KDE wiki, and >>>>>>> suggest people either use one of the ISOs for 14.10 or install Beta 1 >>>>>>> Vivid. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've never had an upgrade leave me unable to login to KDE before. Not >>>>>>> a good experience. I know that the next and next-backports are testing >>>>>>> material, so I was fairly warned. But we've run out of time to support >>>>>>> them, so let's cut our losses and put our energy into Vivid. >>>>>> >>>>>> This sounds like a realistic idea to me. We don't seem to have the >>>>>> energy needed for a kf5 backport, we've said there won't be an upgrade >>>>>> root for 14.10 plasma5 to 15.04, so we'd be perfectly ok it's just a >>>>>> tech preview and it won't get any better. >>>>> >>>>> how does one prevent the user from upgrading if they have next packages? >>>>> >>>>> HS >>>> >>>> The user will be unable to upgrade, if my experience is at all common. >>>> If there are no updates, they won't be tempted to, right? >>> >>> They will be able to upgrade to 15.04. It just will break their system. >>> >>>> We warned next users long ago that upgrade to 15.04 would not be >>>> supported. >>> >>> That's my point. We didn't. We warned people who read our web >>> resources (website, wiki wherever we put that information). If a user >>> got information on installing plasma5 from a third party they will >>> most certainly not have gotten this warning (in part because we >>> weren't pushing it a lot). In fact even if they used our board tools >>> (add-apt-repository) to add the PPA they would not have been informed >>> of the support status of the PPA as the description says nothing about >>> support [1]. >>> So all those users know is that they re running plasma5. At some point >>> they'll be prompted to upgrade to 15.04 and then things will go boom >>> and the users will get pissed off and complain somewhere about the >>> shitty upgrade and then whoever they complained to will get pissed off >>> because 3 million people all complain about the same thing and then we >>> will get pissed off for having blown up innocent systems. >>> >>>> What I'm advocating is no more upgrades in next or next >>>> backports in 14.10 either. >>> >>> Less work is always fine with me ;) >>> >>> [1] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next >> >> Perhaps we need to start spreading the word in various places. Any >> suggestions about what to say, and where, and how often? > > What I think is that the upgrader probably should go "can't upgrade, > your setup is not supported" and then either point to a webpage that > explains how to best go about solving this without a reinstall, or > perhaps better yet have the installer ppa-purge next and > next-backports and then upgrade.
PPA-purge was the first thing I did, but that did not leave my computer bootable. Perhaps it works, though, if the KDE login hasn't already been corrupted, or whatever-it-was that happened. If we *test this* I'm all for it. Valorie -- kubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
