-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/03/2015 09:34 AM, Harald Sitter wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Valorie Zimmerman > <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Harald Sitter <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Valorie Zimmerman >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Harald Sitter >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jonathan Riddell >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:13:37AM -0800, Valorie >>>>>> Zimmerman wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Jonathan Riddell >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> writing the status here before we forget it.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> scarlett kindy did the backports of kf5 into utopic >>>>>>>> using the kubuntu-ninjas PPA (after some faff failing >>>>>>>> to get the kubuntu-next/staging ppa to accept them) >>>>>>>> they were copied to kubuntu-ppa/next but then we had >>>>>>>> reports of them causing failed upgrades so they were >>>>>>>> deleted I tidied up the backport of kglobalaccel >>>>>>>> which was breaking the upgrades Now when I try to >>>>>>>> copy them over to kubuntu-ppa/next it complains there >>>>>>>> is already that version of the package in >>>>>>>> kubuntu-ppa/next even though there is not >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> if someone has the energy for it they can bump the >>>>>>>> version numbers in the packages in kubuntu-ninjas and >>>>>>>> get them all to compile again them copy them to >>>>>>>> kubuntu-ppa/next. But i'm mostly out of energy for >>>>>>>> it :( >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are we actually supporting next and next-backports for >>>>>>> 14.10? My broken system makes it appear that we are >>>>>>> not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suggest that we remove the notice about those in the >>>>>>> KDE wiki, and suggest people either use one of the ISOs >>>>>>> for 14.10 or install Beta 1 Vivid. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've never had an upgrade leave me unable to login to >>>>>>> KDE before. Not a good experience. I know that the next >>>>>>> and next-backports are testing material, so I was >>>>>>> fairly warned. But we've run out of time to support >>>>>>> them, so let's cut our losses and put our energy into >>>>>>> Vivid. >>>>>> >>>>>> This sounds like a realistic idea to me. We don't seem >>>>>> to have the energy needed for a kf5 backport, we've said >>>>>> there won't be an upgrade root for 14.10 plasma5 to >>>>>> 15.04, so we'd be perfectly ok it's just a tech preview >>>>>> and it won't get any better. >>>>> >>>>> how does one prevent the user from upgrading if they have >>>>> next packages? >>>>> >>>>> HS >>>> >>>> The user will be unable to upgrade, if my experience is at >>>> all common. If there are no updates, they won't be tempted >>>> to, right? >>> >>> They will be able to upgrade to 15.04. It just will break their >>> system. >>> >>>> We warned next users long ago that upgrade to 15.04 would not >>>> be supported. >>> >>> That's my point. We didn't. We warned people who read our web >>> resources (website, wiki wherever we put that information). If >>> a user got information on installing plasma5 from a third party >>> they will most certainly not have gotten this warning (in part >>> because we weren't pushing it a lot). In fact even if they used >>> our board tools (add-apt-repository) to add the PPA they would >>> not have been informed of the support status of the PPA as the >>> description says nothing about support [1]. So all those users >>> know is that they re running plasma5. At some point they'll be >>> prompted to upgrade to 15.04 and then things will go boom and >>> the users will get pissed off and complain somewhere about the >>> shitty upgrade and then whoever they complained to will get >>> pissed off because 3 million people all complain about the same >>> thing and then we will get pissed off for having blown up >>> innocent systems. >>> >>>> What I'm advocating is no more upgrades in next or next >>>> backports in 14.10 either. >>> >>> Less work is always fine with me ;) >>> >>> [1] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next >> >> Perhaps we need to start spreading the word in various places. >> Any suggestions about what to say, and where, and how often? > > What I think is that the upgrader probably should go "can't > upgrade, your setup is not supported" and then either point to a > webpage that explains how to best go about solving this without a > reinstall, or perhaps better yet have the installer ppa-purge next > and next-backports and then upgrade. >
I like the second option. Though it would be nice to prompt the user that those PPA's are going to be removed. It would also be nice to spread this among #kubuntu on IRC. I suppose there are a few who hang around there and give support but are not on this mailing list. Just my two cents, - -O.I. van der Toorn. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU9XM/AAoJEGW1xit1D3RX+g8QALCj0GcHdoppTlPdvS/6nNqV Ovv2OmQ6TinjGzzDkvbgEGH2qVJ+Ll1RuU74wLAjOuAPHG50veDvN+1oW+piNNza F3JjmmtiCM42qBlZIC50u6XYWj5YqK2S2jciaPVxY1RAYLqSGZBf/rV2Leww3w38 NDHSMgX7UavPOF11AKm8Barz/TF5bR7kXTk/DPTZpneUu1EC4TTmxV+HaMGsxxEt w1YikC3AOTT5t0/7fLQ8eTtdY91gEscTp/GhJQFw+I4CTqfW1LiWY9dpUOUryYr2 xxMmoya+GCRRcOjWhTFoKK7jhZ/M9jUKvoYG1Lp7sIbukv8aSCtlwu8srqevW9gC ZB6XRISu5KAVHxExPvMmFUG2uIhhbff/caBv5H7O79caYybTlm4Lq4BGqbIwrdpm TS9HCkBrE5+/QzGbz1sJ2nzl0OgK8cAf/2vSrWqTEilQiUSlRl6Y663z/+zuSi1+ 3OQH4Q4LjyEebvQShS1VWqXpswBHlSGSELBCxywllBU8Rk867TKsDP/Y6zVk1BHQ e2jFP0Gkd75fE3IdQ57OFfU2SuPYPt18fW2EUiucqZ57JG1tHvZZDOmCUSObdpZK 3lCF1uOW2CW2US6M1hg6qLtxjYKh0lOkcqeglOm6KmiJ6wMHaaYtLG5r3k+jHpUn sWupkSnZZ8vhWx9FFaa6 =g+VH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- kubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
