On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Valorie Zimmerman <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Harald Sitter <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Valorie Zimmerman >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Harald Sitter <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jonathan Riddell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:13:37AM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Jonathan Riddell <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > writing the status here before we forget it.. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > scarlett kindy did the backports of kf5 into utopic using the >>>>>> > kubuntu-ninjas >>>>>> > PPA (after some faff failing to get the kubuntu-next/staging ppa to >>>>>> > accept >>>>>> > them) >>>>>> > they were copied to kubuntu-ppa/next but then we had reports of them >>>>>> > causing >>>>>> > failed upgrades so they were deleted >>>>>> > I tidied up the backport of kglobalaccel which was breaking the >>>>>> > upgrades >>>>>> > Now when I try to copy them over to kubuntu-ppa/next it complains >>>>>> > there is >>>>>> > already that version of the package in kubuntu-ppa/next even though >>>>>> > there is >>>>>> > not >>>>>> > >>>>>> > if someone has the energy for it they can bump the version numbers in >>>>>> > the >>>>>> > packages in kubuntu-ninjas and get them all to compile again them copy >>>>>> > them >>>>>> > to kubuntu-ppa/next. But i'm mostly out of energy for it :( >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Jonathan >>>>>> >>>>>> Are we actually supporting next and next-backports for 14.10? My >>>>>> broken system makes it appear that we are not. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggest that we remove the notice about those in the KDE wiki, and >>>>>> suggest people either use one of the ISOs for 14.10 or install Beta 1 >>>>>> Vivid. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've never had an upgrade leave me unable to login to KDE before. Not >>>>>> a good experience. I know that the next and next-backports are testing >>>>>> material, so I was fairly warned. But we've run out of time to support >>>>>> them, so let's cut our losses and put our energy into Vivid. >>>>> >>>>> This sounds like a realistic idea to me. We don't seem to have the >>>>> energy needed for a kf5 backport, we've said there won't be an upgrade >>>>> root for 14.10 plasma5 to 15.04, so we'd be perfectly ok it's just a >>>>> tech preview and it won't get any better. >>>> >>>> how does one prevent the user from upgrading if they have next packages? >>>> >>>> HS >>> >>> The user will be unable to upgrade, if my experience is at all common. >>> If there are no updates, they won't be tempted to, right? >> >> They will be able to upgrade to 15.04. It just will break their system. >> >>> We warned next users long ago that upgrade to 15.04 would not be >>> supported. >> >> That's my point. We didn't. We warned people who read our web >> resources (website, wiki wherever we put that information). If a user >> got information on installing plasma5 from a third party they will >> most certainly not have gotten this warning (in part because we >> weren't pushing it a lot). In fact even if they used our board tools >> (add-apt-repository) to add the PPA they would not have been informed >> of the support status of the PPA as the description says nothing about >> support [1]. >> So all those users know is that they re running plasma5. At some point >> they'll be prompted to upgrade to 15.04 and then things will go boom >> and the users will get pissed off and complain somewhere about the >> shitty upgrade and then whoever they complained to will get pissed off >> because 3 million people all complain about the same thing and then we >> will get pissed off for having blown up innocent systems. >> >>> What I'm advocating is no more upgrades in next or next >>> backports in 14.10 either. >> >> Less work is always fine with me ;) >> >> [1] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next > > Perhaps we need to start spreading the word in various places. Any > suggestions about what to say, and where, and how often?
What I think is that the upgrader probably should go "can't upgrade, your setup is not supported" and then either point to a webpage that explains how to best go about solving this without a reinstall, or perhaps better yet have the installer ppa-purge next and next-backports and then upgrade. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
