I think you are confusing Cold Case and Cold Stream. The complainy guy has a website here (http://www.wix.com/mrfranswa/ryok#!) I found it in his sig when he announced his leaving. He was responsible for Cold Case (http://cc.l4dmapdb.com/about) Matthew Lourdelet is the guy doing Cold Stream (previous work including 2 Evil Eyes). I think the two may have worked together briefly on "The Inferno" with other devs, but I think the project was abandoned.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eugenio Roman Sent: 22 September 2011 14:42 To: Left 4 Dead Modder List Subject: Re: [L4Dmapper] Selling Add Spots on a Campaign Indeed it is. Moddler{s have it so easy, just make an item and wait till it gets on the tf2 item store :p I am gonna see if Valve replies to any of my mails during the course of today. What I´d hate about this is getting just not have an answer and leave me in the doubt. So about the cold stream case. A mapper thought about this while making Cold Case and was very hyped about his campaign, then he got to work on it at Valve and then the campaign wasn´t that good anyways? Did I get the story straight, I am confused about that guy. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Alexis H <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm no lawyer but I dont think it's legal. > The last guy who came here to propse this was RyOK or something like that. > Mr Cold Case maker who wasn't all that popular anyway after his pretty > arrogant massive hype of Cold Stream (which turned out to be a > complete > flop) > I wouldn't wanna do it anyways to be honest. > > I think that indeed the best way to make money of a campaign, is to > make a portfolio that impresses a studio enough to hire you. > I think it's every mapper's wet dream to be hired by Valve or > something :) > > -Alexis > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Kevin Mahoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Read the last line I pasted. That's where it cam be construed as a > > violation of the agreement. Good luck, soldier! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Sep 21, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Eugenio Roman > > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Yeah, the campaign is still a free download. But I think I am > > > going to > > email > > > the email provided above and see what those guys tell me! Thanks > > everyone! I > > > will let you know what happened, just for the sake of documenting > > > everything. > > > > > > Thanks again! > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Kevin Mahoney <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> tl;dr: It's probably not legal. Get a lawyer. If you can't afford > > >> one, > > you > > >> should probably reconsider this idea and find a better way to > > >> make > > money. > > >> But you seem insistent on pursuing this idea, so I don't know > > >> what > else > > to > > >> say. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sep 21, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Kevin Mahoney wrote: > > >> > > >>> From the Steam Subscriber Agreement: > > >>> > > >>> C. Source SDK. > > >>> > > >>> Your Subscription(s) may contain access to the Valve software > > development > > >> kit (the "SDK") for the computer game engine used in Half-Life 2 > > >> and > > other > > >> compatible Valve products (the "Source Engine"). You may use, > reproduce > > and > > >> modify the SDK on a non-commercial basis solely to develop a > > >> modified > > game > > >> (a "Mod") for Half-Life 2 or other Valve products compatible with > > >> and > > using > > >> the Source Engine. You may reproduce and distribute the Mod in > > >> object > > code > > >> form, solely to licensed end users of Half-Life 2 or other > > >> compatible > > Valve > > >> products, provided that the Mod is made publicly available and > > distributed > > >> without charge on a non-commercial basis > > >>> > > >>> If you would like to use the Source SDK or a Mod for a > > >>> commercial > > purpose > > >> or activity, please contact Valve at [email protected]. > > >>> > > >>> D. Ownership. > > >>> > > >>> All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in > > >>> and > to > > >> the Software and any and all copies thereof are owned by Valve > > >> and/or > > its > > >> licensors. All rights reserved, except as expressly stated > > >> herein. The Software is protected by the copyright laws of the > > >> United States, international copyright treaties and conventions > > >> and other laws. The Software contains certain licensed materials > > >> and Valve's licensors may protect their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement. > > >>> > > >>> E. Restrictions. > > >>> > > >>> Except as otherwise permitted under Section 2(C) with regard to > > >>> the > > SDK, > > >> you may not, in whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, > translate, > > >> reverse engineer, derive source code, modify, disassemble, > > >> decompile, > > create > > >> derivative works based on, or remove any proprietary notices or > > >> labels > > from > > >> the Software or any software accessed via Steam without the prior > > consent, > > >> in writing, of Valve. > > >>> > > >>> You are entitled to use the Software for your own use, but you > > >>> are > not > > >> entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer > > >> reproductions of the Software to other parties in any way, nor to > rent, > > >> lease or license the Software to others without the prior written > > consent of > > >> Valve; (ii) host or provide matchmaking services for the Software > > >> or > > emulate > > >> or redirect the communication protocols used by Valve in any > > >> network > > feature > > >> of the Software, through protocol emulation, tunneling, modifying > > >> or > > adding > > >> components to the Software, use of a utility program or any other > > techniques > > >> now known or hereafter developed, for any purpose including, but > > >> not > > limited > > >> to network play over the Internet, network play utilizing > > >> commercial > or > > >> non-commercial gaming networks or as part of content aggregation > > networks, > > >> without the prior written consent of Valve; or (iii) exploit the > > Software or > > >> any of its parts for any commercial purpose. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Eugenio Roman wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> To Gabe and Chet. Does anyone know the legal department of > > >>>> Valve? Or > > >> should > > >>>> I refrain from sending them too much of the same? > > >>>> > > >>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Brent Veal < > [email protected] > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> He said he did contact them directly but hasnt heard a > > >>>>> response > yet. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Kevin Mahoney > > >>>>> <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Why not just contact them directly? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 5:35 PM, Eugenio Roman wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I guess now it is just a matter of figuring out the legality > > >>>>>>> of > > >> this... > > >>>>> I > > >>>>>>> hope Valve has a word on this. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Kevin Mahoney < > [email protected]> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> They look fine to me too. Apt place to see one. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Adam Sierra > > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Honestly, there'd be absolutely nothing wrong with ads > > >>>>>>>>> right > > there > > >> in > > >>>>>> my > > >>>>>>>>> opinion, if you just made it so they looked run down, and > > >>>>>>>>> torn, > > >>>>> instead > > >>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>> squeeky clean. > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>> L4Dmapper mailing list > > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>>>>> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>> L4Dmapper mailing list > > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>>>> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> Eugenio "Motanum" Roman > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/#!/MotanumR > > >>>>>>> http://steamcommunity.com/id/Motanum > > >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/motanium > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> L4Dmapper mailing list > > >>>>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dma > > >>>>>>> pper > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> L4Dmapper mailing list > > >>>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmap > > >>>>>> per > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> L4Dmapper mailing list > > >>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapp > > >>>>> er > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Eugenio "Motanum" Roman > > >>>> > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> http://twitter.com/#!/MotanumR > > >>>> http://steamcommunity.com/id/Motanum > > >>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/motanium > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> L4Dmapper mailing list > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmappe > > >>>> r > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> L4Dmapper mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Eugenio "Motanum" Roman > > > > > > [email protected] > > > http://twitter.com/#!/MotanumR > > > http://steamcommunity.com/id/Motanum > > > http://www.youtube.com/user/motanium > > > _______________________________________________ > > > L4Dmapper mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > > > > _______________________________________________ > > L4Dmapper mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > > > _______________________________________________ > L4Dmapper mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > -- Eugenio "Motanum" Roman [email protected] http://twitter.com/#!/MotanumR http://steamcommunity.com/id/Motanum http://www.youtube.com/user/motanium _______________________________________________ L4Dmapper mailing list [email protected] http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper _______________________________________________ L4Dmapper mailing list [email protected] http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper
