Distrust? Bots cluster have been created long time before tools labs. What I understand as a distrust is that wmf secretly started a new project with only aim which is to overtake the current one - community maintained, probably because people in wmf don't believe that anything operated by volunteers can ever work.
However, regarding GS - we discussed it on irc, and some people knew that we want to install some scheduling for ages. It was no secret at all. On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Tim Landscheidt <[email protected]> wrote: > Petr Bena <[email protected]> wrote: > >> But I still fail to see why you believe that cluster operated and >> maintained by volunteer sysadmins should be less stable than cluster >> maintained by paid wmf staff. Not all volunteers are that dumb to >> randomly break everything. > > I have yet to see Marc assert that only paid WMF staff can > admin Tool Labs; I think he put emphasis on the point that > (any) admin work just has to be very disciplined on Tool > Labs so to provide a reliable infrastructure (and I second > that). > >> I would myself rather host my bots on a cluster where I can easily set >> it up and have constant support anytime I need, rather than some >> cluster which is mostly only "self-maintained" in the means that users >> can't change anything but the tool itself, and for anything which >> requires sysadmin attention (there will be lot of needs for that) will >> have to wait for ages - just as they have to on tool server now. > >> [...] > > Toolserver has one (I believe (very) part-time) paid and one > volunteer admin (who also live in the same time zone). I > don't think it's fair to compare this to the Tool Labs where > the "Tools Lab Operations Engineer" (*1) alone works > 40 h/week. > > Also, what surprised me (and so I understand Marc's initial > "Err, guys, duplication of efforts?") is the secrecy in > which you set up the grid on Bots. When you have someone > knowledgeable around, it's not only unnecessary work not to > draw on the experiences (= failures) he already made, it > also has a very bad vibe as it looks as if there is some > distrust. > > Tim > > (*1) "Tool*s* Lab"! If it weren't that late in the game, > we should use some other (one-word) name. > "Toolzilla". "Toolit". "Xanadu". > > > _______________________________________________ > Labs-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l _______________________________________________ Labs-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l
