jan i wrote:
> After a couple of hick ups, I hope this mail comes through.
> 
> even though its something PMC should discuss on private-labs@ I sent the
> mail to labs@ due to some mail problems, sorry for that.

Jan, i just want to reply to this part at this stage.
No, it is not something that should be discussed on private@ lists.
Here is one reference, there may be others:
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mailing-list-naming-policy
So everything on this list unless it is personnel matters, etc.

-David

> rgds
> jan I.
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: jan i <j...@apache.org>
> Date: 16 December 2013 01:10
> Subject: [request for Vote] change of bylaws
> To: priv...@labs.apache.org
> 
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Not being PMC (not even labs committer) I can only request a vote,
> which I hereby do.
> 
> 
> The charter [1] and homepage [2] for labs says:
> 
>  - Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The creation of
>    the lab requires a PMC lazy consensus vote
>    (at least three +1 and no -1, 72 hours).
> 
> However the foundations glossary [3] defines lazy consensus today as:
> 
> *Lazy consensus*(Also called 'lazy approval'.) A decision-making policy
> which assumes general consent if no responses are posted within a defined
> period. For example, "I'm going to commit this by lazy consensus if no-one
> objects within the next three days." Also see Consensus
> Approval<http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#ConsensusApproval>,
> Majority
> Approval <http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#MajorityApproval>,
> and the description of the voting
> process <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>.
> 
> 
> I propose the bylaws to be changed as follows:
> 
>  - Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The lab creation
> requires PMC lazy concensus, if no PMC sends a mail with -1 to
> l...@apache.org within the lazy consensus period, the lab request is
> accepted.
> 
> Change in the bylaws [2] requires 2/3 vote from the PMC members.
> 
> 
> Voting positively on this will also solve
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LABS-512
> 
> As mentioned in my other mail, I strongly believe in labs and would
> like to help to "rejuvenate" labs and put it back into the central
> place it belongs.
> 
> thanks in advance for your time (and vote)
> 
> rgds
> jan I.
> 
> 
> 
> [1] 
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2006/board_minutes_2006_11_15.txt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [2] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
> [3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html

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