Hi, It is now 17 days since I forwarded the proposal, I am aware it has been christmas, but during 17 days there has not been a single +1 or -1. Actually there has been no comment (relating to the content of the proposal) at all.
I have prepared an update to the the LABS homepage, where we list the projects according to their status and activity, but I assume the interest for such a change is similar low. I made the proposal for 2 good reasons: - I strongly believe in LABS as our frontier where committers can play without too many restrictions. - Tim gave me a hint to go ahead, even though I am not part of LABS. It seems I was wrong and LABS is something else, than what it presents. At least the hurdle to get a lab seems higher than becomming committer in a "normal" ASF project. I dont know what to do next. Could the PMC group be kind enough to inform me, if I should stop disturbing or how we get a discussion on changes going. thanks in advance. rgds jan I. On 22 December 2013 22:15, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > top posting. > > I wish everyone a merry christmas and some relaxing time with those close > to you. > > my wish for christmas is simple, a couple of +1 signalling that somebody > read and agree with my proposal :-) > > all the best. > rgds > jan I. > > > > On 20 December 2013 01:04, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 20 December 2013 00:51, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 19 December 2013 23:30, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: >>> > On 17 December 2013 23:12, David Crossley <cross...@apache.org> wrote: >>> > >>> >> jan i wrote: >>> >> > After a couple of hick ups, I hope this mail comes through. >>> >> > >>> >> > even though its something PMC should discuss on private-labs@ I >>> sent the >>> >> > mail to labs@ due to some mail problems, sorry for that. >>> >> >>> >> Jan, i just want to reply to this part at this stage. >>> >> No, it is not something that should be discussed on private@ lists. >>> >> Here is one reference, there may be others: >>> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mailing-list-naming-policy >>> >> So everything on this list unless it is personnel matters, etc. >>> >> >>> > >>> > I agree with you, but you should see, what at least one project (AOO) >>> put >>> > in the private list, so I guess I am just a burned kid. >>> >>> I agree that there are some threads on AOO private that almost >>> certainly do not belong there. >>> >>> However it is not just personnel stuff that may need to be private. >>> For example trademark discussions. >>> >> +1 >> >>> >>> If you feel that a particular AOO private thread should be held >>> elsewhere then it is best to raise it ASAP in the thread. >>> >> sorry it was just to explain, the reasoning behind my words, I believe >> the Apache way is a big wide highway with not only one correct solution, >> and in every project you have to adapt to a slightly different way of doing >> things. >> >> Any problem I might have (which I dont) with any project I particate in >> will of course be discussed in private on that projects list. >> >> labs is like infra different than "normal" projects, it is a project that >> goes across other project (which is what makes it interesting), and >> therefore I reckon focus are higher on the community value. >> >> rgds >> jan I. >> >> >> >> >>> > However I do hope something is going on private, since this list is >>> dead >>> > silent, and I had hoped at least for somebody to comment on my requst, >>> and >>> > not to forget proposal to change the web page. >>> > >>> > rgds >>> > jan I. >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> -David >>> >> >>> >> > rgds >>> >> > jan I. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> >> > From: jan i <j...@apache.org> >>> >> > Date: 16 December 2013 01:10 >>> >> > Subject: [request for Vote] change of bylaws >>> >> > To: priv...@labs.apache.org >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Hi. >>> >> > >>> >> > Not being PMC (not even labs committer) I can only request a vote, >>> >> > which I hereby do. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > The charter [1] and homepage [2] for labs says: >>> >> > >>> >> > - Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The creation of >>> >> > the lab requires a PMC lazy consensus vote >>> >> > (at least three +1 and no -1, 72 hours). >>> >> > >>> >> > However the foundations glossary [3] defines lazy consensus today >>> as: >>> >> > >>> >> > *Lazy consensus*(Also called 'lazy approval'.) A decision-making >>> policy >>> >> > which assumes general consent if no responses are posted within a >>> defined >>> >> > period. For example, "I'm going to commit this by lazy consensus if >>> >> no-one >>> >> > objects within the next three days." Also see Consensus >>> >> > Approval< >>> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#ConsensusApproval>, >>> >> > Majority >>> >> > Approval < >>> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#MajorityApproval>, >>> >> > and the description of the voting >>> >> > process <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > I propose the bylaws to be changed as follows: >>> >> > >>> >> > - Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The lab >>> creation >>> >> > requires PMC lazy concensus, if no PMC sends a mail with -1 to >>> >> > l...@apache.org within the lazy consensus period, the lab request >>> is >>> >> > accepted. >>> >> > >>> >> > Change in the bylaws [2] requires 2/3 vote from the PMC members. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Voting positively on this will also solve >>> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LABS-512 >>> >> > >>> >> > As mentioned in my other mail, I strongly believe in labs and would >>> >> > like to help to "rejuvenate" labs and put it back into the central >>> >> > place it belongs. >>> >> > >>> >> > thanks in advance for your time (and vote) >>> >> > >>> >> > rgds >>> >> > jan I. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > [1] >>> >> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2006/board_minutes_2006_11_15.txt >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > [2] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html >>> >> > [3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html >>> >> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: labs-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org >>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: labs-h...@labs.apache.org >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: labs-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: labs-h...@labs.apache.org >>> >>> >> >
