On 19 December 2013 23:30, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > On 17 December 2013 23:12, David Crossley <cross...@apache.org> wrote: > >> jan i wrote: >> > After a couple of hick ups, I hope this mail comes through. >> > >> > even though its something PMC should discuss on private-labs@ I sent the >> > mail to labs@ due to some mail problems, sorry for that. >> >> Jan, i just want to reply to this part at this stage. >> No, it is not something that should be discussed on private@ lists. >> Here is one reference, there may be others: >> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mailing-list-naming-policy >> So everything on this list unless it is personnel matters, etc. >> > > I agree with you, but you should see, what at least one project (AOO) put > in the private list, so I guess I am just a burned kid.
I agree that there are some threads on AOO private that almost certainly do not belong there. However it is not just personnel stuff that may need to be private. For example trademark discussions. If you feel that a particular AOO private thread should be held elsewhere then it is best to raise it ASAP in the thread. > However I do hope something is going on private, since this list is dead > silent, and I had hoped at least for somebody to comment on my requst, and > not to forget proposal to change the web page. > > rgds > jan I. > > >> >> -David >> >> > rgds >> > jan I. >> > >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > From: jan i <j...@apache.org> >> > Date: 16 December 2013 01:10 >> > Subject: [request for Vote] change of bylaws >> > To: priv...@labs.apache.org >> > >> > >> > Hi. >> > >> > Not being PMC (not even labs committer) I can only request a vote, >> > which I hereby do. >> > >> > >> > The charter [1] and homepage [2] for labs says: >> > >> > - Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The creation of >> > the lab requires a PMC lazy consensus vote >> > (at least three +1 and no -1, 72 hours). >> > >> > However the foundations glossary [3] defines lazy consensus today as: >> > >> > *Lazy consensus*(Also called 'lazy approval'.) A decision-making policy >> > which assumes general consent if no responses are posted within a defined >> > period. For example, "I'm going to commit this by lazy consensus if >> no-one >> > objects within the next three days." Also see Consensus >> > Approval< >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#ConsensusApproval>, >> > Majority >> > Approval < >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#MajorityApproval>, >> > and the description of the voting >> > process <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>. >> > >> > >> > I propose the bylaws to be changed as follows: >> > >> > - Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The lab creation >> > requires PMC lazy concensus, if no PMC sends a mail with -1 to >> > l...@apache.org within the lazy consensus period, the lab request is >> > accepted. >> > >> > Change in the bylaws [2] requires 2/3 vote from the PMC members. >> > >> > >> > Voting positively on this will also solve >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LABS-512 >> > >> > As mentioned in my other mail, I strongly believe in labs and would >> > like to help to "rejuvenate" labs and put it back into the central >> > place it belongs. >> > >> > thanks in advance for your time (and vote) >> > >> > rgds >> > jan I. >> > >> > >> > >> > [1] >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2006/board_minutes_2006_11_15.txt >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > [2] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html >> > [3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: labs-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: labs-h...@labs.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: labs-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: labs-h...@labs.apache.org
