On 20 December 2013 00:51, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 19 December 2013 23:30, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > On 17 December 2013 23:12, David Crossley <cross...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> jan i wrote: > >> > After a couple of hick ups, I hope this mail comes through. > >> > > >> > even though its something PMC should discuss on private-labs@ I sent > the > >> > mail to labs@ due to some mail problems, sorry for that. > >> > >> Jan, i just want to reply to this part at this stage. > >> No, it is not something that should be discussed on private@ lists. > >> Here is one reference, there may be others: > >> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mailing-list-naming-policy > >> So everything on this list unless it is personnel matters, etc. > >> > > > > I agree with you, but you should see, what at least one project (AOO) put > > in the private list, so I guess I am just a burned kid. > > I agree that there are some threads on AOO private that almost > certainly do not belong there. > > However it is not just personnel stuff that may need to be private. > For example trademark discussions. > +1
> > If you feel that a particular AOO private thread should be held > elsewhere then it is best to raise it ASAP in the thread. > sorry it was just to explain, the reasoning behind my words, I believe the Apache way is a big wide highway with not only one correct solution, and in every project you have to adapt to a slightly different way of doing things. Any problem I might have (which I dont) with any project I particate in will of course be discussed in private on that projects list. labs is like infra different than "normal" projects, it is a project that goes across other project (which is what makes it interesting), and therefore I reckon focus are higher on the community value. rgds jan I. > > However I do hope something is going on private, since this list is dead > > silent, and I had hoped at least for somebody to comment on my requst, > and > > not to forget proposal to change the web page. > > > > rgds > > jan I. > > > > > >> > >> -David > >> > >> > rgds > >> > jan I. > >> > > >> > > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> > From: jan i <j...@apache.org> > >> > Date: 16 December 2013 01:10 > >> > Subject: [request for Vote] change of bylaws > >> > To: priv...@labs.apache.org > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi. > >> > > >> > Not being PMC (not even labs committer) I can only request a vote, > >> > which I hereby do. > >> > > >> > > >> > The charter [1] and homepage [2] for labs says: > >> > > >> > - Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The creation of > >> > the lab requires a PMC lazy consensus vote > >> > (at least three +1 and no -1, 72 hours). > >> > > >> > However the foundations glossary [3] defines lazy consensus today as: > >> > > >> > *Lazy consensus*(Also called 'lazy approval'.) A decision-making > policy > >> > which assumes general consent if no responses are posted within a > defined > >> > period. For example, "I'm going to commit this by lazy consensus if > >> no-one > >> > objects within the next three days." Also see Consensus > >> > Approval< > >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#ConsensusApproval>, > >> > Majority > >> > Approval < > >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#MajorityApproval>, > >> > and the description of the voting > >> > process <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>. > >> > > >> > > >> > I propose the bylaws to be changed as follows: > >> > > >> > - Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The lab creation > >> > requires PMC lazy concensus, if no PMC sends a mail with -1 to > >> > l...@apache.org within the lazy consensus period, the lab request is > >> > accepted. > >> > > >> > Change in the bylaws [2] requires 2/3 vote from the PMC members. > >> > > >> > > >> > Voting positively on this will also solve > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LABS-512 > >> > > >> > As mentioned in my other mail, I strongly believe in labs and would > >> > like to help to "rejuvenate" labs and put it back into the central > >> > place it belongs. > >> > > >> > thanks in advance for your time (and vote) > >> > > >> > rgds > >> > jan I. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [1] > >> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2006/board_minutes_2006_11_15.txt > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [2] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html > >> > [3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: labs-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: labs-h...@labs.apache.org > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: labs-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: labs-h...@labs.apache.org > >
