On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:14 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > On 19 January 2014 17:30, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On 01/19/2014 05:23 PM, Santiago Gala wrote: >> > On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitt...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:00 AM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Jukka Zitting seems to have been active on some lists in late 2013 >> >> >> >> I still am. The reason I didn't participate in this vote was that I >> >> asked to resign from the Labs PMC (see private@labs) due to lack of >> >> time and sufficient interest. >> >> >> >> As for this vote and the related debate, here's what I'd do: >> > >> > +1 to all three proposals. >> > >> > The VP can take these executive decisions on a consensus basis. They >> > can be re-endorsed or rejected later on, when the PMC has been cleaned >> > up and the bylaws amended. Paralysis causes greater damage than a >> > wrong formal decision, IMO. >> > >> >> I seem to recall the board making a decision that a PMC can't simply >> drop a PMC member unless the board agrees with it. Either they need to >> resign, or the PMC needs to take on more people to reach the required >> quorum for changing the bylaws. I have tried reaching out to the PMC >> members I know haven't been active for a while, but so far I haven't >> received a reply. >> >> Since the labs bylaws does not have any special paragraph for this > situation (like some other projects), and there does not seem to be > specific paragraph in the ASF bylaws, removing a PMC member must be seen as > the opposite of adding a member, meaning vote and board aproval.
Daniel was right on this, the board has reserved removals for itself: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#pmc-removal I don't expect removing them would be particularly contentious - especially given we'd happily have them back if they wanted. > Adding members to "water out" the inactive members, call for quite a number > of new PMCs (considering the amount that did not reply to a personal mail). > Its clearly easier to ask the board, to ask all PMCs if they want to > continue, and remove those who do not reply. > > >> I am considering doing what sebb suggested (and what jan did do, if >> memory serves me right) and copying the correspondence (or attempt at >> it) to private@. >> > you have a good memory. > > At this point it seems I cannot be of real help, should I be mistaken > please tell me. I have a new homepage more or less prepared, together with > a couple of proposals to help reactivate labs, I will forward these once we > have a working PMC group. You got 8 binding votes on this thread. It's true that we fell short of the high bar needed for a bylaws change, but I'd like to understand why you think the PMC isn't "working" enough to do whatever else you're proposing? [And no, I don't understand why those same folks didn't vote on Gabriela's lab - probably holidays and personal lives were in the way] --tim --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: labs-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: labs-h...@labs.apache.org
