Betty Ann wrote: <The "rise" is the distance from the natural waistline to the "twat">
I obviously did that as part of my City & Guilds Certificate in Dressmaking and Pattern Cutting, but never knew it was called 'the rise'. It was always just referred to as the measurement from the waist to the crotch, even in the exam papers. then Tamara wrote: <I've seen some 5yr olds playing "tease" (without really having any idea why), and, by 12, most of us had an inkling of the "why" (at least when I was growing up) though we'd have been as appaled/frightened as the 5yr olds, if "taken up on it"...> When I saw photos of our school's 16 year-old leavers at their prom, wearing bra tops and not a lot else, my reaction was "Good heavens! They're half naked". That caused me to be frightened of what the consequences of this obvious tease might be and made me think I was now out of tune with them so it was time I left teaching. I took early retirement at the end of the following year. Now they've dropped the waistline as well and adorn the navel with a piercing to draw attention to that naked area, and I get even more worried. I'm beginning to sound like my mother. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]