I am in favor of the proposal. Search needs to work and agree rigidity for the sake of following established rules isn't as valuable as providing a useful knowledge source and a community that can work together to maintain it.
Regards, Karen Broome > On May 5, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Oliver Stegen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Amir, can you give us an update on what happened since that az-wp admin's > ugly action? > > Gerard had proposed that we only act after interacting with the az > communities on their preferences. However, I'm afraid that this will cause > only further division (quite apart from the fact that azj speakers and azb > speakers do not seem to be able to communicate with each other in writing). > So, as has been suggested in an earlier message for LangCom to take action > asap in our role as "appointed experts", I vote to approve the outstanding > request for azb-wp. > > Have I counted correctly that we're now 5 in favour and 1 against? > How much longer must we wait for other LangCom members to cast their vote? > Who is able to implement our decision? Or at least communicate our decision > to those who will implement it? > > Oliver > >> On 04-May-15 10:20 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: >> I'm with Antony: what that admin did is ugly and wrong, but it's only a >> symptom, and according to what I know about this language, the right >> solution to the problem is to split the site, similarly to what is done with >> Punjabi and Hindi/Urdu. >> >> The spoken language may be the same, but the written languages are not, in >> practice, mutually intelligible, because the Arabic script is not studied by >> people in the Republic of Azerbaijan, and vice-versa, so the languages are >> not unique enough to exist within the same site. As I wrote earlier, I'm >> surprised that they held together for so long. The codes should be az and >> azb. >> >> There is an outstanding request for azb Wikipedia, and there is an active >> localization community, and we should simply approve it. >> >> בתאריך 4 במאי 2015 21:31, "Antony Green" <[email protected]> כתב: >>> If the Azeri Wikipedia community wants separate Wikipedias for Latin and >>> Arab script, I'm in favor of doing that, partially because of the >>> impossibility of automatic conversion and partially because of the >>> linguistic differences between Northern and Southern Azeri, which if I've >>> understood the situation correctly are greater in the written language than >>> the spoken language. (In this respect the difference between the languages >>> is reminiscent of the difference between Hindi and Urdu: the spoken >>> languages are largely mutually intelligible, but the written languages are >>> not, for one thing because the scripts are different and for another >>> because learnèd words are borrowed from different sources.) >>> >>> If that is the route we go, then I'm in favor of keeping the status quo at >>> az-wp, namely that it is written in Northern Azeri (the standard language >>> of the Republic of Azerbaijan) in the Latin script; it need not be moved to >>> azj. >>> >>> I would prefer that the Arabic-script Southern Azeri Wikipedia use the code >>> azb and not az-Arab. >>> >>> Best, >>> Antony >>> >>>> On 2015-05-04 15:52, Mjbmr wrote: >>>> South Azerbaijani has a iso 639-3 code and that's azb and not az-arab, >>>> there are resources that make this language separate from North >>>> Azerbaijani and that's not just script. >>>> >>>>> On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Michael Everson wrote: >>>>> On 4 May 2015, at 09:45, Oliver Stegen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, Gerard, but I'm voting with MF, mjbmr and Michael to let Azeri in >>>>>> Latin script keep az.wikipedia. I also vote for opening a new wikipedia >>>>>> for Azeri in Arabic script, preferably az-arab.wikipedia. >>>>> I recommend that we go to the community and tell them that we want to >>>>> create just that, az-arab.wikipedia, as the solution that we (the >>>>> appointed experts) feel is best for their concerns. >>>>> >>>>> I do not believe you will find them opposing it. If however we give them >>>>> a basket of options (some of which this committee does not support) then >>>>> we are only prolonging problems. >>>>> >>>>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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