Hi Gideon, You write: "we use a lot of english".
That is a major understatement. I didn't count precisely, but my impression is that it's more than 90% English. That's not "a lot of English", that's almost exclusively English. This incubator is not a draft for a Wikipedia in the Nyungar language. This is a draft for a wiki website with articles about the Nyungar people and culture, and it's mostly written in the English language. The existence of such a website is legitimate. It is even desirable for the Wikimedia movement to host such a site, given the known practical challenges of writing about non-Western cultures in Wikipedia in English and other major languages. The problem is that even though it's legitimate and desirable, it is just not something that the Language committee can approve because it is not similar to any other wiki site in the Wikimedia family of sites. A new kind of site could be created for this, but this is a discussion that must happen beyond the Language committee. The WMF board and the wide Wikimedia community must be involved in discussing this. When such a proposal is made in the right place, I may support it as a Wikimedia community member, but I cannot support it as the Language committee member. All of the above was already discussed on this mailing list publicly in February. You can find the archive here: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/langcom/2018-February/thread.html . -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2018-04-02 8:53 GMT+03:00 Gnangarra <[email protected]>: > Kaya > > Well were to now, the noongar community met in good faith every condition > asked of it during 2017 includinng those asked by the committee while I was > in Berlin, In December we posted the final request after completing the > required translations. Following those request we received what can > politely be describe as poor responses. > > I wont be in Berlin this year to again find out what new hoops we will be > required to jump through. I can say the outcome has been very poor, there > has been no existent communication from the committee as a committee. At > this stage does the WMAU abandon capturing 50,000 years of Australian > Indigenous knowledge from across 300 countries in their languages. > > The ball must now rest with the language committee because there is no way > I could take what little comment we have received back to the wider Noongar > community who daily deal with racism, knowledge appropriation, and being > dismissed. > > The greatest lesson at the moment for Australian Indigenous knowledge is > dont engage with Wikimedia Foundation, because despite them acting good > faith the outcomes will be no different to past experiences. > > So why did we work with Noongar > > - they wanted to work with us, ie language community driven > - its one of the largest language groups > - it has a clearly defined country > - it is supported by 5 Universities > - its the most influential Indigenous languages and culture on any > Australian community with the greatest uptake of indigenous words into the > locally spoken english so much so that both the language spoken and the > Western Australia culture is uniquely identifiable from the rest of > Australia. > - its spoken in some form by 25.m despite the statistics > > Our challenges was in knowing that there actually 14 associated dialects, > that they have spellings directly impacted by the european who recorded > them. My process has always been not to use WMF as means of enforcing one > dialect over another, hence why we use a lot of english in the learning and > a reluctance to do further translations because each choice should come > when the community is doing it through consensus not at the hand of > myself.... > > > -- > Gideon Digby > Vice President - Wikimedia Australia > M: 0434 986 852 > [email protected] > http://wikimedia.org.au > > Wikimedia Australia Inc. is an independent charitable organisation which > supports the efforts of the Wikimedia Foundation in Australia. Your > donations keep the Wikimedia mission alive. > *http://wikimedia.org.au/Donate <https://wikimedia.org.au/Donate>* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >
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