Well, I don't see that the English Wikipedia community would necessarily
agree to be the repository of another language's translation articles
which should never be changed to deviate from the original Noongar articles.
--Oliver
On 24-May-18 08:46, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
That's what I understand as well; what I don't completely is why can't
these articles simply be on the English Wikipedia. But again, I'm only
saying that I'm puzzled, and I'm not blocking this.
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2018-05-24 9:31 GMT+03:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
As far as I understand, the English namespace of the Noongar
wikipedia is not meant to be a duplication of English wikipedia
articles but rather *translations* of Noongar articles for those
Noongar whose language skills are not good enough to the Noongar
straight away. Reading the corresponding en:wp articles will not
help them to understand Noongar any better, so that's why they
propose an English namespace at the Noongar wikipedia. I hope I
got that right because my support of the English namespace at
Noongar wikipedia is resting on that understanding.
Oliver
On 23-May-18 21:28, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
As long as the articles in Nyungar are written _before_ it goes
out of the Incubator, this should probably be fine.
Although I still don't quite understand why would articles in
English be needed. If they already exist in the English
Wikipedia, then the knowledge is already disseminated, and they
shouldn't be duplicated. If they cannot exist in the English
Wikipedia because of the latter's strict referencing policy...
I'm not sure what to say. Maybe it will indeed become a
reasonable solution for disseminating knowledge in a way that is
different from the Western academic style. Maybe it will become a
collection of unreliable information. And maybe it will become a
POV fork of the English Wikipedia. I am not implying anything; I
honestly don't know.
If this helps actual articles in Nyungar to get written, I won't
be the one who blocks it, but I do have to note that it appears
convoluted.
--
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2018-05-18 16:52 GMT+03:00 Steven White <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
User:OosWesThoesBes, who is a sysop and active contributor on
Incubator and Multilingual Wikisource, has been collaborating
with User:Gnangarra of the Noongar project. They make the
following comment and suggestion:
The main issue here seems to lie in two things: 1. the
desire to spread/record knowledge of the local culture;
2. the inability of many tribal people (no offense meant,
I'm not from Australia, nor am I a native English
speaker, so please do correct my terminology [I'd use
"aboriginal"–SJW]) to speak or understand the Nyungar
language fluently. A simple solution to this would be the
creation of a separate namespace in which English
translations are provided, while the pages themselves are
written in Nyungar. This will keep the main namespace
free of English, while the knowledge to the culture is
still available to those interested, who are not able to
understand or have difficulty understanding the language
itself. This way, the Wikipedia can be used both to
spread the knowledge of the Nyungar culture, as well as
providing a base for a broad encyclopedia written in the
Nyungar language about all subjects.
In response to a question from MF-Warburg, Gnangarra promises
that all articles will be completely written in Nyungar as
well as in English. And OosWesThoesBes has committed to help
with the implementation.
It seems to me that this solution would satisfy LangCom's
requirement that the project be written in Nyungar, as well
as the community's desire that there also be English
available to support wider dissemination of information.
I'd request the Committee's comments/opinions on this idea.
Steven
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