That's what I understand as well; what I don't completely is why can't these articles simply be on the English Wikipedia. But again, I'm only saying that I'm puzzled, and I'm not blocking this.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2018-05-24 9:31 GMT+03:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>: > As far as I understand, the English namespace of the Noongar wikipedia is > not meant to be a duplication of English wikipedia articles but rather > *translations* of Noongar articles for those Noongar whose language skills > are not good enough to the Noongar straight away. Reading the corresponding > en:wp articles will not help them to understand Noongar any better, so > that's why they propose an English namespace at the Noongar wikipedia. I > hope I got that right because my support of the English namespace at > Noongar wikipedia is resting on that understanding. > > Oliver > > On 23-May-18 21:28, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > > As long as the articles in Nyungar are written _before_ it goes out of the > Incubator, this should probably be fine. > > Although I still don't quite understand why would articles in English be > needed. If they already exist in the English Wikipedia, then the knowledge > is already disseminated, and they shouldn't be duplicated. If they cannot > exist in the English Wikipedia because of the latter's strict referencing > policy... I'm not sure what to say. Maybe it will indeed become a > reasonable solution for disseminating knowledge in a way that is different > from the Western academic style. Maybe it will become a collection of > unreliable information. And maybe it will become a POV fork of the English > Wikipedia. I am not implying anything; I honestly don't know. > > If this helps actual articles in Nyungar to get written, I won't be the > one who blocks it, but I do have to note that it appears convoluted. > > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > “We're living in pieces, > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore > > 2018-05-18 16:52 GMT+03:00 Steven White <[email protected]>: > >> User:OosWesThoesBes, who is a sysop and active contributor on Incubator >> and Multilingual Wikisource, has been collaborating with User:Gnangarra of >> the Noongar project. They make the following comment and suggestion: >> >> >> The main issue here seems to lie in two things: 1. the desire to >> spread/record knowledge of the local culture; 2. the inability of many >> tribal people (no offense meant, I'm not from Australia, nor am I a native >> English speaker, so please do correct my terminology [I'd use >> "aboriginal"–SJW]) to speak or understand the Nyungar language fluently. A >> simple solution to this would be the creation of a separate namespace in >> which English translations are provided, while the pages themselves are >> written in Nyungar. This will keep the main namespace free of English, >> while the knowledge to the culture is still available to those interested, >> who are not able to understand or have difficulty understanding the >> language itself. This way, the Wikipedia can be used both to spread the >> knowledge of the Nyungar culture, as well as providing a base for a broad >> encyclopedia written in the Nyungar language about all subjects. >> >> >> In response to a question from MF-Warburg, Gnangarra promises that all >> articles will be completely written in Nyungar as well as in English. And >> OosWesThoesBes has committed to help with the implementation. >> >> It seems to me that this solution would satisfy LangCom's requirement >> that the project be written in Nyungar, as well as the community's desire >> that there also be English available to support wider dissemination of >> information. >> >> I'd request the Committee's comments/opinions on this idea. >> >> Steven >> >> >> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > <#m_-6532847506915473742_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing > [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >
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