I'd harm the turncoat, I'd boot him right between the two big toes. On 23 Nov 2011, at 20:57, Eric B wrote:
> HI Mark, > > Yes, you are right, harm is the offending word. The statement that was made > is: > > "I'd do everything to harm OBrian so that he in no way benefits and in > every way suffers." > > Harming is different than punishing, *very* different. > > Punishment : inflict a penalty or sanction on (someone) as retribution for > an offence, especially a transgression of a legal or moral code. > > Harm: have a look here: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/harm > > Its just a guy saying he wants to play for another club, big fucking deal.. > happens all the time! Nothing worth harming someone for. > > Eric > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Mark Humphries < > [email protected]> wrote: >> Eric, >> >> The problem here is your interpretation of "harm". Think more "punish". >> >> I think the point Mike was trying to make was that the club shouldn’t just >> cancel O'Brien's contract, which is probably what he wants, and allow him > to >> join West Ham, or whoever. >> >> How do you "harm" someone? Fine them, withhold registration, stop paying >> their wages... for a start >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On >> Behalf Of Eric B >> Sent: 23 November 2011 17:43 >> To: Dr. Michael Benjamin. >> Cc: list leedslist >> Subject: Re: [LU] Miracles of miracles: >> >> and how exactly would you like to harm that someone that is commiting the >> horrendous crime of breaking an employment agreement? >> >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Dr. Michael Benjamin. >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> It's a simple fact. If AOB is not made to pay and suffer the consequences >> then he will be just the first. He should be made to be the first and last >> to pull a trick like that. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone. >>> D"r Michael Benjamin. >>> Community Psychiatrist. >>> >>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 18:15, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I have no issue with what you are saying. But the statement of making >>>> an example of him and "harm" him is childish and fucking annoying >>>> coming from an adult to be honest. >>>> >>>> I also maintain its not in LUFC best interest to "harm" players that >>>> want to leave no matter what. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Leeds List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Eric, there are some differences between a professional footballers >> contract and that of an ordinary employee, the major one being that a >> footballers contract has no notice period- if I wished to change jobs all > I >> have to do is tell my employer that I'll be leaving in a months time, >> football contracts tend to be more binding and can only be cancelled by >> mutual agreement - this is what the transfer fee is for. >>>>> There is nothing to stop him asking for a transfer or leaving at the > end >> of his contract with Leeds however asking to be released and withdrawing > his >> labour until then is a clear breach, if you hand in your notice your >> employer is still fully entitled to expect you to work until your end > date - >> assuming you are still being paid. >>>>> In this case Leeds are in the right and should hold him to the >> conditions and terms he signed up to - the PFA would be adamant that Leeds >> upheld their side. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 15:27, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Bullshit. They are a pampered bunch. Contracts are mutually binding. >>>>>> Remember when we wanted them to take a pay cut temporarily to save >>>>>> the club" >>>>>> >>>>>> So what if you think they are pampered? its irrelevant to the issue. >>>>>> If you re jealous about being pampered go to a spa mate. or go to >>>>>> Eilat and check out the dolphins, saw them on telly the other day, >>>>>> nice! >>>>>> >>>>>> A contract is does not strip you of your statutory rights, or >>>>>> whatever that is called. A lot of players leave clubs before their >>>>>> contracts expire, its not exclusive to LUFC. >>>>>> >>>>>> If he wants to sod off then get rid of him and good luck to him! >>>>>> trying to "harm" someone who wants to leave is childish at best and >>>>>> certainly not good business sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Dr. Michael Benjamin. >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Bullshit. They are a pampered bunch. Contracts are mutually binding. >> Remember when we wanted them to take a pay cut temporarily to save the > club. >>>>>>> The Stoat is spot on. >>>>>>> Hammer the guy and make an example of him. You wanna leave ask to be >> released. Not this way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone. >>>>>>> D"r Michael Benjamin. >>>>>>> Community Psychiatrist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You want to harm someone for wanting to change clubs? You need >>>>>>>> to understand that being a football player is a JOB. nothing >>>>>>>> else, nothing more. Anybody is entitled to move jobs in a free >>>>>>>> society withing the limits of the law/contract. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Harassment will only lead to unwanted noise and deter others from >>>>>>>> signing in the future. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you for real doc? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Dr. Michael Benjamin. >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> You have to impose a framework of tolerated accepted behavior. It >> may cost on the short term but will be profitable on the long. >>>>>>>>> A contract is mutually binding. >>>>>>>>> I'd do everything to harm OBrian so that he in no way benefits and >> in every way suffers. >>>>>>>>> One way or another this is a landmark >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone. >>>>>>>>> D"r Michael Benjamin. >>>>>>>>> Community Psychiatrist. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 12:42, DAVID NATTAN <[email protected] >> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He / the club might be right on this occasion but what if Snoddy > or >> Howson or Clayton or someone else with a sell on value to us did the same. >> If Delph had said he did not want to play for us and we just terminated > his >> contract in this way we (or at least Bates) would be £6m down.O'Brien also >> gets what he wants - a transfer to West Ham. >>>>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- On Wed, 23/11/11, Dr Michael Benjamin <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Dr Michael Benjamin <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [LU] Miracles of miracles: >>>>>>>>>> To: "LEEDSLIST" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, 23 November, 2011, 8:08 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree with the Stoat entirely Whats more I'd sue O'Brian's >>>>>>>>>> arse off him. Not to mention a complaint about WHU and point >>>>>>>>>> deductions in the bargain. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The words of the Stoat: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> O`Brien spoke to Leeds boss Simon Grayson last week and stated >>>>>>>>>> that he did not intend to ever play for Leeds again. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Grayson speaking at the weekend confirmed that he would never >>>>>>>>>> play for Leeds again and now Bates says as far as he is >>>>>>>>>> concerned he has resigned from the club. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Speaking in the Yorkshire Post >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/onl >>>>>>>>>> y_reason_we_employ_o_brien_is_to_play_football_he_s_resigned_as >>>>>>>>>> _far_as_i_m_concerned_bates_1_3990672>, >>>>>>>>>> Bates said, "If you told the Yorkshire Post that you no longer >>>>>>>>>> wanted to write stories for them then I am sure your boss would >>>>>>>>>> take that as you having resigned from your employment at the >>>>>>>>>> Yorkshire Post. This is no different. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "The only reason Leeds United employ Andy O`Brien is to play >>>>>>>>>> football for us. Now, he won`t do that then clearly he no >>>>>>>>>> longer wants to work for Leeds United. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "To my mind, that means he has resigned his position. As far as >>>>>>>>>> I personally am concerned, Andy O`Brien has left the club and >>>>>>>>>> we have moved on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "We are looking forward without Andy O`Brien and the challenge >>>>>>>>>> for the other players is to come in and stake their claim. What >>>>>>>>>> happens in the future is what concerns me and not a player who >>>>>>>>>> doesn`t want to play for Leeds United." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is expected that O`Brien will leave the club this week, >>>>>>>>>> either on loan or by the club terminating his contract allowing > him >> to move on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Read more: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.leeds.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=263301#ixzz1 >>>>>>>>>> eVufmmwH >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dr Michael Benjamin, >>>>>>>>>> Community Psychiatrist >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT >>>>>>>>>> http://www.myRay.com >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> Mental Health: >>>>>>>>>> http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------- Auditing || Quality Control >>>>>>>>>> http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> Blog: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
