and how exactly would you like to harm that someone that is commiting the horrendous crime of breaking an employment agreement?
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Dr. Michael Benjamin. <[email protected]> wrote: > It's a simple fact. If AOB is not made to pay and suffer the consequences > then he will be just the first. He should be made to be the first and last to > pull a trick like that. > > Sent from my iPhone. > D"r Michael Benjamin. > Community Psychiatrist. > > On 23 Nov 2011, at 18:15, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have no issue with what you are saying. But the statement of making >> an example of him and "harm" him is childish and fucking annoying >> coming from an adult to be honest. >> >> I also maintain its not in LUFC best interest to "harm" players that >> want to leave no matter what. >> >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Leeds List <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Eric, there are some differences between a professional footballers >>> contract and that of an ordinary employee, the major one being that a >>> footballers contract has no notice period- if I wished to change jobs all I >>> have to do is tell my employer that I'll be leaving in a months time, >>> football contracts tend to be more binding and can only be cancelled by >>> mutual agreement - this is what the transfer fee is for. >>> There is nothing to stop him asking for a transfer or leaving at the end of >>> his contract with Leeds however asking to be released and withdrawing his >>> labour until then is a clear breach, if you hand in your notice your >>> employer is still fully entitled to expect you to work until your end date >>> - assuming you are still being paid. >>> In this case Leeds are in the right and should hold him to the conditions >>> and terms he signed up to - the PFA would be adamant that Leeds upheld >>> their side. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 15:27, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> "Bullshit. They are a pampered bunch. Contracts are mutually binding. >>>> Remember when we wanted them to take a pay cut temporarily to save the >>>> club" >>>> >>>> So what if you think they are pampered? its irrelevant to the issue. >>>> If you re jealous about being pampered go to a spa mate. or go to >>>> Eilat and check out the dolphins, saw them on telly the other day, >>>> nice! >>>> >>>> A contract is does not strip you of your statutory rights, or whatever >>>> that is called. A lot of players leave clubs before their contracts >>>> expire, its not exclusive to LUFC. >>>> >>>> If he wants to sod off then get rid of him and good luck to him! >>>> trying to "harm" someone who wants to leave is childish at best and >>>> certainly not good business sense. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Dr. Michael Benjamin. >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Bullshit. They are a pampered bunch. Contracts are mutually binding. >>>>> Remember when we wanted them to take a pay cut temporarily to save the >>>>> club. >>>>> The Stoat is spot on. >>>>> Hammer the guy and make an example of him. You wanna leave ask to be >>>>> released. Not this way. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone. >>>>> D"r Michael Benjamin. >>>>> Community Psychiatrist. >>>>> >>>>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You want to harm someone for wanting to change clubs? You need to >>>>>> understand that being a football player is a JOB. nothing else, >>>>>> nothing more. Anybody is entitled to move jobs in a free society >>>>>> withing the limits of the law/contract. >>>>>> >>>>>> Harassment will only lead to unwanted noise and deter others from >>>>>> signing in the future. >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you for real doc? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Dr. Michael Benjamin. >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> You have to impose a framework of tolerated accepted behavior. It may >>>>>>> cost on the short term but will be profitable on the long. >>>>>>> A contract is mutually binding. >>>>>>> I'd do everything to harm OBrian so that he in no way benefits and in >>>>>>> every way suffers. >>>>>>> One way or another this is a landmark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone. >>>>>>> D"r Michael Benjamin. >>>>>>> Community Psychiatrist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 12:42, DAVID NATTAN <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He / the club might be right on this occasion but what if Snoddy or >>>>>>>> Howson or Clayton or someone else with a sell on value to us did the >>>>>>>> same. If Delph had said he did not want to play for us and we just >>>>>>>> terminated his contract in this way we (or at least Bates) would be >>>>>>>> £6m down.O'Brien also gets what he wants - a transfer to West Ham. >>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- On Wed, 23/11/11, Dr Michael Benjamin <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Dr Michael Benjamin <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject: [LU] Miracles of miracles: >>>>>>>> To: "LEEDSLIST" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, 23 November, 2011, 8:08 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with the Stoat entirely >>>>>>>> Whats more I'd sue O'Brian's arse off him. Not to mention a complaint >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> WHU and point deductions in the bargain. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The words of the Stoat: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> O`Brien spoke to Leeds boss Simon Grayson last week and stated that he >>>>>>>> did >>>>>>>> not intend to ever play for Leeds again. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Grayson speaking at the weekend confirmed that he would never play for >>>>>>>> Leeds again and now Bates says as far as he is concerned he has >>>>>>>> resigned >>>>>>>> from the club. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Speaking in the Yorkshire Post >>>>>>>> <http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/only_reason_we_employ_o_brien_is_to_play_football_he_s_resigned_as_far_as_i_m_concerned_bates_1_3990672>, >>>>>>>> Bates said, "If you told the Yorkshire Post that you no longer wanted >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> write stories for them then I am sure your boss would take that as you >>>>>>>> having resigned from your employment at the Yorkshire Post. This is no >>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The only reason Leeds United employ Andy O`Brien is to play football >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> us. Now, he won`t do that then clearly he no longer wants to work for >>>>>>>> Leeds >>>>>>>> United. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "To my mind, that means he has resigned his position. As far as I >>>>>>>> personally am concerned, Andy O`Brien has left the club and we have >>>>>>>> moved >>>>>>>> on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "We are looking forward without Andy O`Brien and the challenge for the >>>>>>>> other players is to come in and stake their claim. What happens in the >>>>>>>> future is what concerns me and not a player who doesn`t want to play >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> Leeds United." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is expected that O`Brien will leave the club this week, either on >>>>>>>> loan >>>>>>>> or by the club terminating his contract allowing him to move on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Read more: >>>>>>>> http://www.leeds.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=263301#ixzz1eVufmmwH >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dr Michael Benjamin, >>>>>>>> Community Psychiatrist >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT >>>>>>>> http://www.myRay.com >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> Mental Health: >>>>>>>> http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com >>>>>>>> -------------------------------- >>>>>>>> Auditing || Quality Control >>>>>>>> http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ >>>>>>>> -------------------------------- >>>>>>>> Blog: >>>>>>>> http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> >>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>> > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
