HI Mark, Yes, you are right, harm is the offending word. The statement that was made is:
"I'd do everything to harm OBrian so that he in no way benefits and in every way suffers." Harming is different than punishing, *very* different. Punishment : inflict a penalty or sanction on (someone) as retribution for an offence, especially a transgression of a legal or moral code. Harm: have a look here: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/harm Its just a guy saying he wants to play for another club, big fucking deal.. happens all the time! Nothing worth harming someone for. Eric On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Mark Humphries < [email protected]> wrote: > Eric, > > The problem here is your interpretation of "harm". Think more "punish". > > I think the point Mike was trying to make was that the club shouldn’t just > cancel O'Brien's contract, which is probably what he wants, and allow him to > join West Ham, or whoever. > > How do you "harm" someone? Fine them, withhold registration, stop paying > their wages... for a start > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Eric B > Sent: 23 November 2011 17:43 > To: Dr. Michael Benjamin. > Cc: list leedslist > Subject: Re: [LU] Miracles of miracles: > > and how exactly would you like to harm that someone that is commiting the > horrendous crime of breaking an employment agreement? > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Dr. Michael Benjamin. > <[email protected]> wrote: >> It's a simple fact. If AOB is not made to pay and suffer the consequences > then he will be just the first. He should be made to be the first and last > to pull a trick like that. >> >> Sent from my iPhone. >> D"r Michael Benjamin. >> Community Psychiatrist. >> >> On 23 Nov 2011, at 18:15, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have no issue with what you are saying. But the statement of making >>> an example of him and "harm" him is childish and fucking annoying >>> coming from an adult to be honest. >>> >>> I also maintain its not in LUFC best interest to "harm" players that >>> want to leave no matter what. >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Leeds List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Eric, there are some differences between a professional footballers > contract and that of an ordinary employee, the major one being that a > footballers contract has no notice period- if I wished to change jobs all I > have to do is tell my employer that I'll be leaving in a months time, > football contracts tend to be more binding and can only be cancelled by > mutual agreement - this is what the transfer fee is for. >>>> There is nothing to stop him asking for a transfer or leaving at the end > of his contract with Leeds however asking to be released and withdrawing his > labour until then is a clear breach, if you hand in your notice your > employer is still fully entitled to expect you to work until your end date - > assuming you are still being paid. >>>> In this case Leeds are in the right and should hold him to the > conditions and terms he signed up to - the PFA would be adamant that Leeds > upheld their side. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 15:27, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Bullshit. They are a pampered bunch. Contracts are mutually binding. >>>>> Remember when we wanted them to take a pay cut temporarily to save >>>>> the club" >>>>> >>>>> So what if you think they are pampered? its irrelevant to the issue. >>>>> If you re jealous about being pampered go to a spa mate. or go to >>>>> Eilat and check out the dolphins, saw them on telly the other day, >>>>> nice! >>>>> >>>>> A contract is does not strip you of your statutory rights, or >>>>> whatever that is called. A lot of players leave clubs before their >>>>> contracts expire, its not exclusive to LUFC. >>>>> >>>>> If he wants to sod off then get rid of him and good luck to him! >>>>> trying to "harm" someone who wants to leave is childish at best and >>>>> certainly not good business sense. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Dr. Michael Benjamin. >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Bullshit. They are a pampered bunch. Contracts are mutually binding. > Remember when we wanted them to take a pay cut temporarily to save the club. >>>>>> The Stoat is spot on. >>>>>> Hammer the guy and make an example of him. You wanna leave ask to be > released. Not this way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone. >>>>>> D"r Michael Benjamin. >>>>>> Community Psychiatrist. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You want to harm someone for wanting to change clubs? You need >>>>>>> to understand that being a football player is a JOB. nothing >>>>>>> else, nothing more. Anybody is entitled to move jobs in a free >>>>>>> society withing the limits of the law/contract. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Harassment will only lead to unwanted noise and deter others from >>>>>>> signing in the future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you for real doc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Dr. Michael Benjamin. >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> You have to impose a framework of tolerated accepted behavior. It > may cost on the short term but will be profitable on the long. >>>>>>>> A contract is mutually binding. >>>>>>>> I'd do everything to harm OBrian so that he in no way benefits and > in every way suffers. >>>>>>>> One way or another this is a landmark >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone. >>>>>>>> D"r Michael Benjamin. >>>>>>>> Community Psychiatrist. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 12:42, DAVID NATTAN <[email protected] > > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He / the club might be right on this occasion but what if Snoddy or > Howson or Clayton or someone else with a sell on value to us did the same. > If Delph had said he did not want to play for us and we just terminated his > contract in this way we (or at least Bates) would be £6m down.O'Brien also > gets what he wants - a transfer to West Ham. >>>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- On Wed, 23/11/11, Dr Michael Benjamin <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Dr Michael Benjamin <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [LU] Miracles of miracles: >>>>>>>>> To: "LEEDSLIST" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, 23 November, 2011, 8:08 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree with the Stoat entirely Whats more I'd sue O'Brian's >>>>>>>>> arse off him. Not to mention a complaint about WHU and point >>>>>>>>> deductions in the bargain. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The words of the Stoat: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> O`Brien spoke to Leeds boss Simon Grayson last week and stated >>>>>>>>> that he did not intend to ever play for Leeds again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Grayson speaking at the weekend confirmed that he would never >>>>>>>>> play for Leeds again and now Bates says as far as he is >>>>>>>>> concerned he has resigned from the club. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Speaking in the Yorkshire Post >>>>>>>>> <http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/onl >>>>>>>>> y_reason_we_employ_o_brien_is_to_play_football_he_s_resigned_as >>>>>>>>> _far_as_i_m_concerned_bates_1_3990672>, >>>>>>>>> Bates said, "If you told the Yorkshire Post that you no longer >>>>>>>>> wanted to write stories for them then I am sure your boss would >>>>>>>>> take that as you having resigned from your employment at the >>>>>>>>> Yorkshire Post. This is no different. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "The only reason Leeds United employ Andy O`Brien is to play >>>>>>>>> football for us. Now, he won`t do that then clearly he no >>>>>>>>> longer wants to work for Leeds United. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "To my mind, that means he has resigned his position. As far as >>>>>>>>> I personally am concerned, Andy O`Brien has left the club and >>>>>>>>> we have moved on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "We are looking forward without Andy O`Brien and the challenge >>>>>>>>> for the other players is to come in and stake their claim. What >>>>>>>>> happens in the future is what concerns me and not a player who >>>>>>>>> doesn`t want to play for Leeds United." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is expected that O`Brien will leave the club this week, >>>>>>>>> either on loan or by the club terminating his contract allowing him > to move on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Read more: >>>>>>>>> http://www.leeds.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=263301#ixzz1 >>>>>>>>> eVufmmwH >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dr Michael Benjamin, >>>>>>>>> Community Psychiatrist >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT >>>>>>>>> http://www.myRay.com >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> Mental Health: >>>>>>>>> http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com >>>>>>>>> -------------------------------- Auditing || Quality Control >>>>>>>>> http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ >>>>>>>>> -------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> Blog: >>>>>>>>> http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>> Info and options: >>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate > > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
