And of course dusseldorf is the home of the mighty kraftwerk who are playing 
all their albums in full at Tate modern in feb. 

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On 7 Dec 2012, at 12:46, "david bromley" <[email protected]> 
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Tim Leslie
> snip
> The Germans have got so many things right IMHO. Been over there a few
> times now and just think they have got it right on so many levels.
> snip
> . Cheap tickets, great atmosphere, beer and
> food in and around the ground.
> Plus you get a sticker on every pub door, which denotes whether it is a
> smoking pub or a smoke free one, exactly what IMHO we should have done in
> this country. If you haven't been, go to Dusselfdorf via Jet2 and spend a
> weekend in the Altstadt with a few mates (Try the brilliant Pork Sarnie
> shop in the middle of the main drag at around 11PM, you'll never want to
> eat a mucky kebab again!). HufHauses, Precision engineering that works,
> good but cheap software (Teamviewer and PRTG are superb for the price!),
> the ability to drive like a mature adult on the Autobahn.
> snip
> 
> Absolutely spot on. Been 4 times this year, paid approx. £36 return Inc. 
> taxes etc.  with Ryanair from Leeds to Weeze.
> Cheaper than London and more people speak English than in London.
> All our politicians and journalists should be made to go there to see how a 
> modern country should be run and what we should aspire to. All we seem to 
> read is how we won the war/world cup/Germans have no sense of humour and its 
> all tosh. When you come back here you realise how we're slipping into 
> becoming a third world country.
> 
> 
> 
>> I remember it being considered 'poncy' to go in any seats.
>> 
>> On 3 Dec 2012, at 11:41, David Nattan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2012/dec/02/ermany-bundesliga-noisy-fans
>>> 
>>> A real reminder of the good old days at ER and elsewhere - half of me
>>> does
>>> not want Prem football because it is so sanitised and seems to be
>>> getting
>>> worse season by season. I hardly watch any football inc MOTD and part of
>>> that is down to the total lack of atmosphere at the grounds. ER is
>>> getting
>>> worse every year and only partly due to the team and the general malaise
>>> around the club - all seaters and over enthusiastic stewarding etc are
>>> killing it all and driving away the old , mainly working class*, fans
>>> who
>>> used a Saturday afternoon to get rid of all their pent up emotions etc.
>>> Costs need to come down and safe standing areas are a must in my view
>>> (albeit I would stay in the seats!)
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> *( I know I am firmly middle class)
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