No but he bottled the majors. No other reason he didn't win one. He had the talent but nerves meant that he couldn't convert. Isn't that the very definition of bottler?
Sent from my iPhone On 09/07/2013, at 0:11, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: > So you're gonna ignore his Ryder cup record ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he >>> reached his 3rd final. >>> >>> Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in 2001 >>> saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. Coming back the >>> following day was a whole new ball game. >>> >>> On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ? >> In a word: yes >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But they >>>> gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - if they >>>> are there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. You make >>>> some good points but this is total bobbins. >>>> >>>> He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he bottled >>>> it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental strength to win a >>>> slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's just a plain fact mate. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just because >>>>> he was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes. >>>>> >>>>> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson ridge ? >>>>> >>>>> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising >>>>> his talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser. >>>>> >>>>> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, me >>>>> or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it. >>>>> >>>>> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally >>>>> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently. >>>>> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing >>>>> about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference >>>>> for the other 50 weeks of the year. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it. >>>>>> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially >>>>>> called 'Herman hill'? >>>>>>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming >>>>>>> Grayson Grove ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely >>>>>> different to a media nickname. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Didn't think so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then. >>>>>> >>>>>> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths >>>>>>> would be so challenging. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then >>>>>>> more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a >>>>>> loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it >>>>>> every time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think it is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in >>>>>>>>> defeat as in victory. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - >>>>>>>>> 1 v 2 in the world. >>>>>>>>> DP did play great and made it a quality semi. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Big of you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would >>>>>>>>>> I? but >>>>>>>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english >>>>>>>>> man won >>>>>>>>> tour de france. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you'd written: >>>>>>>>> "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would >>>>>>>>> I? but >>>>>>>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english man >>>>>>>>> won >>>>>>>>> tour de france.' >>>>>>>>> then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree >>>>>>>>> with you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're not comparing like with like. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when Murray >>>>>>>>> wins Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while wearing Brit kit) >>>>>>>>> win gold in London 2012. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they >>>>>>>>>> will not. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win for both >>>>>>>>> Scotland & Britain. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who want >>>>>>>>>> him to lose. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Couldn't agree more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to 'henman >>>>>>>>>> hill' when she interviewed him after. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - the name >>>>>>>>> doesn't change just cos Murray won the tournament. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because it was known as Henman Hill when everyone there was there to >>>>>>>> support Henman. He is retired. It is disrespectful to Murray. Murray >>>>>>>> Mound. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now he WAS a loser. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lost 4 Wimbledon semis - 3 to the world number 1s (Hewitt, Sampras) >>>>>>>>> and one to an inspired Goran who was saved by the weather. >>>>>>>>> 2 other Slam semis - ranked 4 in the world. >>>>>>>>> Gave us a decade of hope and excitement after previously having to >>>>>>>>> pray that Bates would maybe get to round 3 one year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He never won a slam. Yeah he won some tour titles but he was a loser. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best Brit player for 60+ years - wish I was that sort of loser ... >>>>>>>> Murray is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Al >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER
