OK I take that point but he did bottle majors and had a psychological block surrounding them.
Sent from my iPhone On 09/07/2013, at 16:01, [email protected] wrote: > Anyone that's been number 1 in the world who happens to have missed out on a > few majors isn't a bottler. > > I bet you would love to be in world top 10 at something even if you didn't > win anything > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Murray <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:24:06 > To: Matt Anderson<[email protected]> > Cc: Alan Edgar<[email protected]>; > [email protected]<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 > > So why post?! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 09/07/2013, at 1:49, "Matt Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't think me or his bank manager care. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:17, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> How many majors did he win? And why didn't he win any?! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 09/07/2013, at 0:16, "Matt Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> FFS, he was number one in the world for years. I'd love to be that weak >>>> minded >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:14, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No but he bottled the majors. No other reason he didn't win one. He had >>>>> the talent but nerves meant that he couldn't convert. Isn't that the very >>>>> definition of bottler? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 09/07/2013, at 0:11, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So you're gonna ignore his Ryder cup record ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he >>>>>>>> reached his 3rd final. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in >>>>>>>> 2001 saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. Coming >>>>>>>> back the following day was a whole new ball game. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ? >>>>>>> In a word: yes >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But >>>>>>>>> they gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - >>>>>>>>> if they are there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. >>>>>>>>> You make some good points but this is total bobbins. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he >>>>>>>>> bottled it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental >>>>>>>>> strength to win a slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's >>>>>>>>> just a plain fact mate. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just >>>>>>>>>> because he was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name >>>>>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson >>>>>>>>>> ridge ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, >>>>>>>>>> maximising his talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a >>>>>>>>>> loser. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than >>>>>>>>>> you, me or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there >>>>>>>>>> without it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally >>>>>>>>>> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently. >>>>>>>>>> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and >>>>>>>>>> wailing about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total >>>>>>>>>> indifference for the other 50 weeks of the year. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it. >>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been >>>>>>>>>>> officially called 'Herman hill'? >>>>>>>>>>>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd >>>>>>>>>>>> becoming Grayson Grove ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely >>>>>>>>>>> different to a media nickname. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't think so. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around >>>>>>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the >>>>>>>>>>>> maths would be so challenging. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam >>>>>>>>>>>> then more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't >>>>>>>>>>> is a loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he >>>>>>>>>>> bottled it every time. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it is. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sportsman. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> defeat as in victory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> been - 1 v 2 in the world. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DP did play great and made it a quality semi. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big of you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I? but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> english man won >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tour de france. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd written: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I? but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> english man won >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tour de france.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree with you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're not comparing like with like. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray wins Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wearing Brit kit) win gold in London 2012. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will not. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> both Scotland & Britain. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want him to lose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Couldn't agree more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'henman hill' when she interviewed him after. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> name doesn't change just cos Murray won the tournament. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it was known as Henman Hill when everyone there was there >>>>>>>>>>>>> to support Henman. He is retired. It is disrespectful to Murray. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray Mound. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now he WAS a loser. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lost 4 Wimbledon semis - 3 to the world number 1s (Hewitt, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sampras) and one to an inspired Goran who was saved by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weather. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 other Slam semis - ranked 4 in the world. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gave us a decade of hope and excitement after previously having >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to pray that Bates would maybe get to round 3 one year. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He never won a slam. Yeah he won some tour titles but he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>> loser. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Brit player for 60+ years - wish I was that sort of loser >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray is. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>> Info and options: >>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER
