How do you know that on each occasion he wasn't ill, injured or worried he was going to be exposed in the press for deviant behaviour.
Sent from my iPad On 9 Jul 2013, at 09:16, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: > OK I take that point but he did bottle majors and had a psychological block > surrounding them. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 09/07/2013, at 16:01, [email protected] wrote: > >> Anyone that's been number 1 in the world who happens to have missed out on a >> few majors isn't a bottler. >> >> I bet you would love to be in world top 10 at something even if you didn't >> win anything >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ian Murray <[email protected]> >> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:24:06 >> To: Matt Anderson<[email protected]> >> Cc: Alan Edgar<[email protected]>; >> [email protected]<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 >> >> So why post?! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 09/07/2013, at 1:49, "Matt Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I don't think me or his bank manager care. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:17, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> How many majors did he win? And why didn't he win any?! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 09/07/2013, at 0:16, "Matt Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> FFS, he was number one in the world for years. I'd love to be that weak >>>>> minded >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:14, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No but he bottled the majors. No other reason he didn't win one. He had >>>>>> the talent but nerves meant that he couldn't convert. Isn't that the >>>>>> very definition of bottler? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09/07/2013, at 0:11, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> So you're gonna ignore his Ryder cup record ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he >>>>>>>>> reached his 3rd final. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in >>>>>>>>> 2001 saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. >>>>>>>>> Coming back the following day was a whole new ball game. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ? >>>>>>>> In a word: yes >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. >>>>>>>>>> But they gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. >>>>>>>>>> Yeah - if they are there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a >>>>>>>>>> nickname. You make some good points but this is total bobbins. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he >>>>>>>>>> bottled it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental >>>>>>>>>> strength to win a slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's >>>>>>>>>> just a plain fact mate. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just >>>>>>>>>>> because he was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name >>>>>>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson >>>>>>>>>>> ridge ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, >>>>>>>>>>> maximising his talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a >>>>>>>>>>> loser. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than >>>>>>>>>>> you, me or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there >>>>>>>>>>> without it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally >>>>>>>>>>> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently. >>>>>>>>>>> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and >>>>>>>>>>> wailing about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total >>>>>>>>>>> indifference for the other 50 weeks of the year. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been >>>>>>>>>>>> officially called 'Herman hill'? >>>>>>>>>>>>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd >>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming Grayson Grove ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely >>>>>>>>>>>> different to a media nickname. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't think so. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around >>>>>>>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the >>>>>>>>>>>>> maths would be so challenging. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam >>>>>>>>>>>>> then more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>> is a loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he >>>>>>>>>>>> bottled it every time. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sportsman. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defeat as in victory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been - 1 v 2 in the world. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DP did play great and made it a quality semi. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big of you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I? but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> english man won >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tour de france. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd written: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I? but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> english man won >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tour de france.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree with you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're not comparing like with like. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray wins Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wearing Brit kit) win gold in London 2012. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will not. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for both Scotland & Britain. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want him to lose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Couldn't agree more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'henman hill' when she interviewed him after. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name doesn't change just cos Murray won the tournament. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it was known as Henman Hill when everyone there was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to support Henman. He is retired. It is disrespectful to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray. Murray Mound. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now he WAS a loser. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lost 4 Wimbledon semis - 3 to the world number 1s (Hewitt, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sampras) and one to an inspired Goran who was saved by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weather. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 other Slam semis - ranked 4 in the world. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gave us a decade of hope and excitement after previously having >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to pray that Bates would maybe get to round 3 one year. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never won a slam. Yeah he won some tour titles but he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> loser. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Brit player for 60+ years - wish I was that sort of loser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER
