I guess he could have been. I don't know. My theory is that he bottled it. You and others disagree - that's fine.
It's getting boring now! Let's move on. Sent from my iPhone On 09/07/2013, at 16:40, "Matt Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote: > How do you know that on each occasion he wasn't ill, injured or worried he > was going to be exposed in the press for deviant behaviour. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 9 Jul 2013, at 09:16, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: > >> OK I take that point but he did bottle majors and had a psychological block >> surrounding them. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 09/07/2013, at 16:01, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Anyone that's been number 1 in the world who happens to have missed out on >>> a few majors isn't a bottler. >>> >>> I bet you would love to be in world top 10 at something even if you didn't >>> win anything >>> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ian Murray <[email protected]> >>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:24:06 >>> To: Matt Anderson<[email protected]> >>> Cc: Alan Edgar<[email protected]>; >>> [email protected]<[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 >>> >>> So why post?! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 09/07/2013, at 1:49, "Matt Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think me or his bank manager care. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:17, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How many majors did he win? And why didn't he win any?! >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 09/07/2013, at 0:16, "Matt Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> FFS, he was number one in the world for years. I'd love to be that weak >>>>>> minded >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:14, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> No but he bottled the majors. No other reason he didn't win one. He had >>>>>>> the talent but nerves meant that he couldn't convert. Isn't that the >>>>>>> very definition of bottler? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 09/07/2013, at 0:11, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So you're gonna ignore his Ryder cup record ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him >>>>>>>>>> he reached his 3rd final. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in >>>>>>>>>> 2001 saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. >>>>>>>>>> Coming back the following day was a whole new ball game. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler >>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> In a word: yes >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. >>>>>>>>>>> But they gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah - if they are there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a >>>>>>>>>>> nickname. You make some good points but this is total bobbins. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he >>>>>>>>>>> bottled it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental >>>>>>>>>>> strength to win a slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's >>>>>>>>>>> just a plain fact mate. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just >>>>>>>>>>>> because he was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name >>>>>>>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson >>>>>>>>>>>> ridge ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, >>>>>>>>>>>> maximising his talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a >>>>>>>>>>>> loser. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than >>>>>>>>>>>> you, me or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there >>>>>>>>>>>> without it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally >>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently. >>>>>>>>>>>> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and >>>>>>>>>>>> wailing about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total >>>>>>>>>>>> indifference for the other 50 weeks of the year. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been >>>>>>>>>>>>> officially called 'Herman hill'? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming Grayson Grove ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely >>>>>>>>>>>>> different to a media nickname. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't think so. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> around then. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> maths would be so challenging. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he >>>>>>>>>>>>> bottled it every time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sportsman. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in defeat as in victory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been - 1 v 2 in the world. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DP did play great and made it a quality semi. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big of you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why would I? but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> english man won >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tour de france. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd written: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why would I? but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> english man won >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tour de france.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree with you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're not comparing like with like. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray wins Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wearing Brit kit) win gold in London 2012. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will not. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for both Scotland & Britain. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want him to lose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Couldn't agree more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'henman hill' when she interviewed him after. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the name doesn't change just cos Murray won the tournament. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it was known as Henman Hill when everyone there was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to support Henman. He is retired. It is disrespectful to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray. Murray Mound. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now he WAS a loser. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lost 4 Wimbledon semis - 3 to the world number 1s (Hewitt, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sampras) and one to an inspired Goran who was saved by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weather. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 other Slam semis - ranked 4 in the world. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gave us a decade of hope and excitement after previously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having to pray that Bates would maybe get to round 3 one year. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never won a slam. Yeah he won some tour titles but he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loser. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Brit player for 60+ years - wish I was that sort of loser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>>>> Info and options: >>>>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER
