That's interesting, sort of backs up why I think most of the Rioja I have 
tasted to date is at best average. 

As for Lee Peltier, an average bottle of Rioja with a dose of piss in it.

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> On 30 Nov 2013, at 21:29, Brendan <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The mother in law comes from a village 15km from Haro (the La Rioja wine 
> capital) so whilst I know fek all about wine I've been to a lot of bodegas.
> 
> Anyhow, from the little I do know I'd say EVERYTHING you see in a supermarket 
> be it in Spain or abroad from La Rioja is largely pish. The big bodegas sell 
> the average stuff only to the chains and the medium to small ones simply 
> don't sell to them at all as the margins are tiny.
> 
> My french colleague (who is a top lad btw) always says the Riojas are just 
> pure vanilla (ie additives/preservatives) and he does have a point but if you 
> like that ...
> 
> The threshold here from the bodega itself is €8-10 upwards (ie really 
> drinkable) and €20+ from a bodega that won't sell to a supermarket will be 
> cracking.
> 
> Also, Ribeiro del Duero are also great for reds and white Albariño from 
> Galicia is unbeatable.
> 
> My sincerest apologies to those uninterested in wines... But when they lose 
> in front of 6800 away fans, ye might as well digress. ;-)
> 
> BMW
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: "Richard walker" <[email protected]>
> Sent: 30 November 2013 21:51
> To: "Brendan" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Damian Walsh" <[email protected]>, "leedslist" 
> <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Satdi
> 
> Ok, here's my opinion of Rioja. I'm no expert, but for me Rioja is such a 
> strong taste that you either like it or not. I have a mate who loves Spain 
> who reckons that when you get above £20 for a bottle of Rioja the tastes 
> start to get complex and subtle. Never spent that much mysen so can't comment 
> but you're Rioja's in supermarkets / wine shops are just too samey for me.
> 
> As for Luke Varney, he ain't got enough about him to compare to a bottle of 
> Rioja from Aldi.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 30 Nov 2013, at 20:44, Brendan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Damian,
>> 
>> What's your view on Spanish wine? My french colleague is always sniffy and 
>> dismissive of everything La Rioja has to offer...
>> 
>> Very jealous of the wine cellar...
>> 
>> BMW
>> 
>> PS who's on our shopping list in Jan with this new investment?
>> 
>> --- Original Message ---
>> 
>> From: "Richard walker" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: 30 November 2013 20:28
>> To: "Damian Walsh" <[email protected]>
>> Cc: "leedslist" <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Satdi
>> 
>> Serious wine drinking ! I'm impressed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 30 Nov 2013, at 19:16, Damian Walsh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I managed to build up a half decent collection of wine 20 odd years ago
>>> because friends of mine had a 13th Century farmhouse with huge dry-stone
>>> vaulted cellars. They live 20 odd km from where I lived so there was no "by
>>> gum that wer a grand bottle, lets bring oop another one" (my first "cellar"
>>> in the UK only lasted until a particulary boozy night with an alcky friend).
>>> 
>>> I moved and bought a house with 2 stone vaults, got up to 900 bottles (all
>>> good good stuff BTW) then moved here - to a modern house, with a modern
>>> cellar - only to end up pouring more than 300 bottles down the drain and
>>> taking the enamel off my teeth with another 300.
>>> 
>>> I've not got the money to vin de garde anymore, for the bottles I lost, I
>>> got a bit back on the insurance - the so called expert agreed that the
>>> auction value of the last 300 was 14 000€....... I got 1980€ back.
>>> 
>>> All that too long story to say that you can dream about a cellar, but don't
>>> buy one built after the war, its not worth it :(
>>> 
>>> Damian
>>> 
>>> PS I think at least some of the Lards have drunk the odd bottle in my
>>> Pussay cellar (the 2 vaults...) - this is going to bring on another mail....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Richard walker 
>>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 'From the cellar ' ???
>>>> 
>>>> It's my ambition in life to have a wine cellar.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On 30 Nov 2013, at 17:45, Damian Walsh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just opened a '08 Capitan-Gagnerant Cotes de Nuits Villages. Straight up
>>>>> from the cellar so a little bit cold but the bottle's in front of the
>>>> fire
>>>>> and I have hopes ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's the last bottle I've got from that year. Will I be able to wait a
>>>>> couple of years for the '11? In fact will I see out this evening without
>>>> ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Richard Walker <[email protected]
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Where's the wine.
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