The point is that that Buddhism is represented by a symbol that has since been tarnished by the nazis. Similar to the quenelle.
So long we dont hold Buddhism responsible for the swastika now being a nazi symbol logic dictates that Anelka cannot be held responsible for the the quenelle being a nazi symbol, for some, not for all. Never heard of the CoPO but I understand where you re coming from. That is why I mentioned ancient roman laws. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Michael Gardiner < [email protected]> wrote: > Last I heard, Eric, Buddha (a) wasn't anti-semitic and (b) didn't wear > that anti-semitism on his sleeve. Nor was he -- nor are Buddhists -- > widely considered to be anti-semitic. > > Anelka may (or may not) be uniquely qualified to speak to Anelka's true > intentions…but he is also in a position where it would be uniquely unlikely > that he would state those true intentions. > > As for the burden of proof being on me -- not on your life. The Court > of Public Opinion does not work that way. Once an accusation is made in > the CoPO the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accused. > > Michael A. Gardiner > *LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER* > 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 > San Diego, CA 92101 > Phone: 619.238.9800 > Fax: 619.814.3727 > E-mail: [email protected] > > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any > attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review > by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or > attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have > received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately > by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any > attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended > transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any > other privilege. > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Eric B <[email protected]> > wrote: > > "Only those who are (a) ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't mind > anti-semitism but don't want that label attached to them suggest otherwise." > > If I was to disregard personal interpretations of a symbol I would have to > assume Buddhists are one or the other of the above that you mention. What > are your thoughts on that? Personally I wouldnt go that far as to judge > another man, without proof I might add, that I dont know in such a harsh > way. > > I ve been around plenty of places in asia where the "swastika" is in use. > Are those that enter the temples with the symbol all nazi worshippers? > > Noone is better qualified than the idiot Anelka to know what his real > intentions were at the time he did what he did. The rest is just guesswork, > assumptions, opinions and whatever else. Hell, Im guessing too! > > You might want to call Anelka a liar but the burden of proof is on you. > Accusing others of this and that has been used and abused through centuries > and even as far back as roman time laws were in place to protect the > individual from empty talk: > > * Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat* "Proof lies on him who > asserts, not on him who denies" > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Michael Gardiner < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't know whether the quenelle was anti-semitic in origin -- though >> the fact that it was the highly anti-semitic French "comedian" Dieudonne >> (arrested today for firing a rubber bullet at two bailiffs who tried to >> serve papers on him) who created it strongly suggests that it was -- but it >> is absolutely clear that it is anti-semitic now. Only those who are (a) >> ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't mind anti-semitism but don't want >> that label attached to them suggest otherwise. >> >> Michael A. Gardiner >> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >> San Diego, CA 92101 >> Phone: 619.238.9800 >> Fax: 619.814.3727 >> E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any >> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review >> by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or >> attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have >> received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately >> by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any >> attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. 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(Eric B) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:10:28 +1100 >> From: Eric B <[email protected]> >> To: Nigel Goodman <[email protected]> >> Cc: leedslist <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU: bloody hell..... >> Message-ID: >> <CAEp-J1TExuuas252-XoaRryhM=x+dn9xzd_wdjqwcmmodw4...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> it runs both ways I read. I too thought it was the opposite way initially. >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Nigel Goodman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Isn't the Buddhist one the other way round ? >> >> On 22/01/2014, at 8:15 AM, Ian Murray wrote: >> >> The swatstika was originally a symbol of Buddhism. Get a massive one >> painted on your car and see what happens. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 8:02, "Eric B" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Cheers Damian. My points exactly. Both the "inventor" of the gesture and >> >> Anelka said its an anti-establishment genture (hear hear Ian M.) however >> >> its been taken by others and over time turned into something else. >> >> >> I read some guy stating its an inverted nazi salute but wouldnt that be >> >> taking your left arm and put it down and backwards making you look like an >> >> arse. The quenelle is certainly not the opposite of a raise right arm. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Damian Walsh <[email protected] >> wrote: >> >> >> I'm convinced that it is anti-semitic. Now - but probably not at the >> start. >> >> >> An example of the vacuum-effect you inevitably have when people are not >> >> allowed to have a rational debate about open sores on the body politic: >> >> >> Statesman - I really feel unconfortable about the Israeli State's policies >> >> of occupation, repression and assasination >> >> Sophist - You evil anti-semitic bastid, to even think in those terms makes >> >> you a Nazi >> >> Statesman - I'll just keep quiet then and leave the ongoing debate to >> >> suicide bombers and their ilk >> >> Socrates - No one desires evil >> >> Sophist - K'off you Nazi Cnut, you will burn in hell like all those who >> >> don't accept my own vision of what is right and just >> >> >> Or, unfortunately, something very similar...... >> >> >> Damian >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Joe Skinner < >> >> [email protected] >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Forget about all the noise about whether the gesture is racist or not. An >> >> inverted Nazi salute is never a great idea (is the real one banned, like >> >> swastikas?). >> >> >> He did in in 'support' of his 'mate', a comedian (who is variously at >> >> best/worst, a racist, anti-semite or anti-zionist) who was/is being >> >> banned >> >> for continual use of said gesture. [How can you ban a comedian?] >> >> >> Whether he thinks he's being anti-establishment for using it, he's a tit. >> >> >> Anelka is an even bigger tit or at best, dim witted and a moron for >> >> thinking he'd get away with it or face no consequences. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Leedslist mailing list >> >> Info and options: >> >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> >> John 'Grampa' Sykes >> >> Rest In Peace old lad >> >> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >> >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Leedslist mailing list >> >> Info and options: >> >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> >> John 'Grampa' Sykes >> >> Rest In Peace old lad >> >> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >> >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Leedslist mailing list >> >> Info and options: >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> >> John 'Grampa' Sykes >> >> Rest In Peace old lad >> >> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >> >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> John 'Grampa' Sykes >> Rest In Peace old lad >> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> John 'Grampa' Sykes >> 28 Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >> Rest in peace old lad >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> >> >> End of Leedslist Digest, Vol 43, Issue 54 >> ***************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> John 'Grampa' Sykes >> Rest In Peace old lad >> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> > > > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
