"Your logical chain made no sense." Bollocks.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Michael Gardiner < [email protected]> wrote: > It is not, of course, what you said….that was my point, you got the > logical chain wrong. Your logical chain made no sense. > > As for PC -- that's funny. You're suggesting that pro-Jewish is PC. > What decade are you talking about? The 60s? Bremner was at Man U then, > right? > > Michael A. Gardiner > *LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER* > 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 > San Diego, CA 92101 > Phone: 619.238.9800 > Fax: 619.814.3727 > E-mail: [email protected] > > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any > attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review > by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or > attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have > received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately > by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any > attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended > transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any > other privilege. > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Eric B <[email protected]> > wrote: > > thats not what I said, but nevermind, you can call him an anti semite > and feel good about it cause its PC. good for you. > > Eric > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Michael Gardiner < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Your logic, Eric, is a bit….errrrrm, a bit in the nature of >> through-the-looking-glass. Buddhist Symbol --> Nazi Symbol = Dieudonne --> >> Anelka. So, the fact that we don't blame the Buddhists for the Nazi >> atrocities would analogize to not blaming Dieudonne for Anelka's actions. >> And I don't blame Dieudonne for Anelka's actions. >> >> The analogy does NOT mean that we shouldn't attribute anti-semitism to >> Anelka. >> >> Michael A. Gardiner >> *LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER* >> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >> San Diego, CA 92101 >> Phone: 619.238.9800 >> Fax: 619.814.3727 >> E-mail: [email protected] >> >> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >> any attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client >> or attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you >> have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender >> immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any >> attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended >> transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any >> other privilege. >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Eric B <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> The point is that that Buddhism is represented by a symbol that has >> since been tarnished by the nazis. >> Similar to the quenelle. >> >> So long we dont hold Buddhism responsible for the swastika now being a >> nazi symbol logic dictates that Anelka cannot be held responsible for the >> the quenelle being a nazi symbol, for some, not for all. >> >> Never heard of the CoPO but I understand where you re coming from. That >> is why I mentioned ancient roman laws. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Michael Gardiner < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Last I heard, Eric, Buddha (a) wasn't anti-semitic and (b) didn't wear >>> that anti-semitism on his sleeve. Nor was he -- nor are Buddhists -- >>> widely considered to be anti-semitic. >>> >>> Anelka may (or may not) be uniquely qualified to speak to Anelka's >>> true intentions…but he is also in a position where it would be uniquely >>> unlikely that he would state those true intentions. >>> >>> As for the burden of proof being on me -- not on your life. The Court >>> of Public Opinion does not work that way. Once an accusation is made in >>> the CoPO the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accused. >>> >>> Michael A. Gardiner >>> *LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER* >>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>> E-mail: [email protected] >>> >>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >>> any attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >>> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client >>> or attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you >>> have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender >>> immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any >>> attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended >>> transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any >>> other privilege. >>> >>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Eric B <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> "Only those who are (a) ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't mind >>> anti-semitism but don't want that label attached to them suggest otherwise." >>> >>> If I was to disregard personal interpretations of a symbol I would have >>> to assume Buddhists are one or the other of the above that you mention. >>> What are your thoughts on that? Personally I wouldnt go that far as to >>> judge another man, without proof I might add, that I dont know in such a >>> harsh way. >>> >>> I ve been around plenty of places in asia where the "swastika" is in >>> use. Are those that enter the temples with the symbol all nazi worshippers? >>> >>> Noone is better qualified than the idiot Anelka to know what his real >>> intentions were at the time he did what he did. The rest is just guesswork, >>> assumptions, opinions and whatever else. Hell, Im guessing too! >>> >>> You might want to call Anelka a liar but the burden of proof is on you. >>> Accusing others of this and that has been used and abused through centuries >>> and even as far back as roman time laws were in place to protect the >>> individual from empty talk: >>> >>> * Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat* "Proof lies on him >>> who asserts, not on him who denies" >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Michael Gardiner < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't know whether the quenelle was anti-semitic in origin -- though >>>> the fact that it was the highly anti-semitic French "comedian" Dieudonne >>>> (arrested today for firing a rubber bullet at two bailiffs who tried to >>>> serve papers on him) who created it strongly suggests that it was -- but it >>>> is absolutely clear that it is anti-semitic now. Only those who are (a) >>>> ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't mind anti-semitism but don't want >>>> that label attached to them suggest otherwise. >>>> >>>> Michael A. Gardiner >>>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>>> E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>>> > >>>> >>>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >>>> any attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >>>> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client >>>> or attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you >>>> have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender >>>> immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any >>>> attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended >>>> transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any >>>> other privilege. >>>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:00 AM, [email protected]<mailto: >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Send Leedslist mailing list submissions to >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Leedslist digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: NONLU: bloody hell..... (Eric B) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:10:28 +1100 >>>> From: Eric B <[email protected]> >>>> To: Nigel Goodman <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: leedslist <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU: bloody hell..... >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CAEp-J1TExuuas252-XoaRryhM=x+dn9xzd_wdjqwcmmodw4...@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> it runs both ways I read. I too thought it was the opposite way >>>> initially. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Nigel Goodman <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't the Buddhist one the other way round ? >>>> >>>> On 22/01/2014, at 8:15 AM, Ian Murray wrote: >>>> >>>> The swatstika was originally a symbol of Buddhism. Get a massive one >>>> painted on your car and see what happens. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 8:02, "Eric B" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers Damian. My points exactly. Both the "inventor" of the gesture and >>>> >>>> Anelka said its an anti-establishment genture (hear hear Ian M.) however >>>> >>>> its been taken by others and over time turned into something else. >>>> >>>> >>>> I read some guy stating its an inverted nazi salute but wouldnt that be >>>> >>>> taking your left arm and put it down and backwards making you look like >>>> an >>>> >>>> arse. The quenelle is certainly not the opposite of a raise right arm. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Damian Walsh <[email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm convinced that it is anti-semitic. Now - but probably not at the >>>> start. >>>> >>>> >>>> An example of the vacuum-effect you inevitably have when people are not >>>> >>>> allowed to have a rational debate about open sores on the body politic: >>>> >>>> >>>> Statesman - I really feel unconfortable about the Israeli State's >>>> policies >>>> >>>> of occupation, repression and assasination >>>> >>>> Sophist - You evil anti-semitic bastid, to even think in those terms >>>> makes >>>> >>>> you a Nazi >>>> >>>> Statesman - I'll just keep quiet then and leave the ongoing debate to >>>> >>>> suicide bombers and their ilk >>>> >>>> Socrates - No one desires evil >>>> >>>> Sophist - K'off you Nazi Cnut, you will burn in hell like all those who >>>> >>>> don't accept my own vision of what is right and just >>>> >>>> >>>> Or, unfortunately, something very similar...... >>>> >>>> >>>> Damian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Joe Skinner < >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Forget about all the noise about whether the gesture is racist or not. >>>> An >>>> >>>> inverted Nazi salute is never a great idea (is the real one banned, like >>>> >>>> swastikas?). >>>> >>>> >>>> He did in in 'support' of his 'mate', a comedian (who is variously at >>>> >>>> best/worst, a racist, anti-semite or anti-zionist) who was/is being >>>> >>>> banned >>>> >>>> for continual use of said gesture. [How can you ban a comedian?] >>>> >>>> >>>> Whether he thinks he's being anti-establishment for using it, he's a >>>> tit. >>>> >>>> >>>> Anelka is an even bigger tit or at best, dim witted and a moron for >>>> >>>> thinking he'd get away with it or face no consequences. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>> >>>> Info and options: >>>> >>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>>> >>>> Rest In Peace old lad >>>> >>>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>>> >>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>> >>>> Info and options: >>>> >>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>>> >>>> Rest In Peace old lad >>>> >>>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>>> >>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>> >>>> Info and options: >>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>>> >>>> Rest In Peace old lad >>>> >>>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>>> >>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>> Info and options: >>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> >>>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>>> Rest In Peace old lad >>>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>> Info and options: >>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> >>>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>>> 28 Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>>> Rest in peace old lad >>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>>> >>>> >>>> End of Leedslist Digest, Vol 43, Issue 54 >>>> ***************************************** >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>> Info and options: >>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> >>>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>>> Rest In Peace old lad >>>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
