thats not what I said, but nevermind, you can call him an anti semite and feel good about it cause its PC. good for you.
Eric On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Michael Gardiner < [email protected]> wrote: > Your logic, Eric, is a bit….errrrrm, a bit in the nature of > through-the-looking-glass. Buddhist Symbol --> Nazi Symbol = Dieudonne --> > Anelka. So, the fact that we don't blame the Buddhists for the Nazi > atrocities would analogize to not blaming Dieudonne for Anelka's actions. > And I don't blame Dieudonne for Anelka's actions. > > The analogy does NOT mean that we shouldn't attribute anti-semitism to > Anelka. > > Michael A. Gardiner > *LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER* > 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 > San Diego, CA 92101 > Phone: 619.238.9800 > Fax: 619.814.3727 > E-mail: [email protected] > > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any > attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review > by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or > attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have > received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately > by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any > attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended > transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any > other privilege. > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Eric B <[email protected]> > wrote: > > The point is that that Buddhism is represented by a symbol that has > since been tarnished by the nazis. > Similar to the quenelle. > > So long we dont hold Buddhism responsible for the swastika now being a > nazi symbol logic dictates that Anelka cannot be held responsible for the > the quenelle being a nazi symbol, for some, not for all. > > Never heard of the CoPO but I understand where you re coming from. That > is why I mentioned ancient roman laws. > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Michael Gardiner < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Last I heard, Eric, Buddha (a) wasn't anti-semitic and (b) didn't wear >> that anti-semitism on his sleeve. Nor was he -- nor are Buddhists -- >> widely considered to be anti-semitic. >> >> Anelka may (or may not) be uniquely qualified to speak to Anelka's true >> intentions…but he is also in a position where it would be uniquely unlikely >> that he would state those true intentions. >> >> As for the burden of proof being on me -- not on your life. The Court >> of Public Opinion does not work that way. Once an accusation is made in >> the CoPO the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accused. >> >> Michael A. Gardiner >> *LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER* >> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >> San Diego, CA 92101 >> Phone: 619.238.9800 >> Fax: 619.814.3727 >> E-mail: [email protected] >> >> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >> any attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client >> or attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you >> have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender >> immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any >> attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended >> transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any >> other privilege. >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Eric B <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> "Only those who are (a) ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't mind >> anti-semitism but don't want that label attached to them suggest otherwise." >> >> If I was to disregard personal interpretations of a symbol I would have >> to assume Buddhists are one or the other of the above that you mention. >> What are your thoughts on that? Personally I wouldnt go that far as to >> judge another man, without proof I might add, that I dont know in such a >> harsh way. >> >> I ve been around plenty of places in asia where the "swastika" is in use. >> Are those that enter the temples with the symbol all nazi worshippers? >> >> Noone is better qualified than the idiot Anelka to know what his real >> intentions were at the time he did what he did. The rest is just guesswork, >> assumptions, opinions and whatever else. Hell, Im guessing too! >> >> You might want to call Anelka a liar but the burden of proof is on you. >> Accusing others of this and that has been used and abused through centuries >> and even as far back as roman time laws were in place to protect the >> individual from empty talk: >> >> * Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat* "Proof lies on him who >> asserts, not on him who denies" >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Michael Gardiner < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I don't know whether the quenelle was anti-semitic in origin -- though >>> the fact that it was the highly anti-semitic French "comedian" Dieudonne >>> (arrested today for firing a rubber bullet at two bailiffs who tried to >>> serve papers on him) who created it strongly suggests that it was -- but it >>> is absolutely clear that it is anti-semitic now. Only those who are (a) >>> ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't mind anti-semitism but don't want >>> that label attached to them suggest otherwise. >>> >>> Michael A. Gardiner >>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>> E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any >>> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review >>> by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or >>> attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have >>> received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately >>> by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any >>> attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. 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(Eric B) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:10:28 +1100 >>> From: Eric B <[email protected]> >>> To: Nigel Goodman <[email protected]> >>> Cc: leedslist <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU: bloody hell..... >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAEp-J1TExuuas252-XoaRryhM=x+dn9xzd_wdjqwcmmodw4...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> it runs both ways I read. I too thought it was the opposite way >>> initially. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Nigel Goodman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Isn't the Buddhist one the other way round ? >>> >>> On 22/01/2014, at 8:15 AM, Ian Murray wrote: >>> >>> The swatstika was originally a symbol of Buddhism. Get a massive one >>> painted on your car and see what happens. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 8:02, "Eric B" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Cheers Damian. My points exactly. Both the "inventor" of the gesture and >>> >>> Anelka said its an anti-establishment genture (hear hear Ian M.) however >>> >>> its been taken by others and over time turned into something else. >>> >>> >>> I read some guy stating its an inverted nazi salute but wouldnt that be >>> >>> taking your left arm and put it down and backwards making you look like >>> an >>> >>> arse. The quenelle is certainly not the opposite of a raise right arm. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Damian Walsh <[email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm convinced that it is anti-semitic. Now - but probably not at the >>> start. >>> >>> >>> An example of the vacuum-effect you inevitably have when people are not >>> >>> allowed to have a rational debate about open sores on the body politic: >>> >>> >>> Statesman - I really feel unconfortable about the Israeli State's >>> policies >>> >>> of occupation, repression and assasination >>> >>> Sophist - You evil anti-semitic bastid, to even think in those terms >>> makes >>> >>> you a Nazi >>> >>> Statesman - I'll just keep quiet then and leave the ongoing debate to >>> >>> suicide bombers and their ilk >>> >>> Socrates - No one desires evil >>> >>> Sophist - K'off you Nazi Cnut, you will burn in hell like all those who >>> >>> don't accept my own vision of what is right and just >>> >>> >>> Or, unfortunately, something very similar...... >>> >>> >>> Damian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Joe Skinner < >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Forget about all the noise about whether the gesture is racist or not. An >>> >>> inverted Nazi salute is never a great idea (is the real one banned, like >>> >>> swastikas?). >>> >>> >>> He did in in 'support' of his 'mate', a comedian (who is variously at >>> >>> best/worst, a racist, anti-semite or anti-zionist) who was/is being >>> >>> banned >>> >>> for continual use of said gesture. [How can you ban a comedian?] >>> >>> >>> Whether he thinks he's being anti-establishment for using it, he's a tit. >>> >>> >>> Anelka is an even bigger tit or at best, dim witted and a moron for >>> >>> thinking he'd get away with it or face no consequences. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> >>> Info and options: >>> >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> >>> Rest In Peace old lad >>> >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> >>> Info and options: >>> >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> >>> Rest In Peace old lad >>> >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> >>> Info and options: >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> >>> Rest In Peace old lad >>> >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> Rest In Peace old lad >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> 28 Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> Rest in peace old lad >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> >>> End of Leedslist Digest, Vol 43, Issue 54 >>> ***************************************** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> Rest In Peace old lad >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
