O'Brien was dreadful Sent from my iPhone
> On 15 Oct 2017, at 13:51, Rob Heath <[email protected]> wrote: > > (O'Brien.............that was the other one I was talking about.) > >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Simon McNally <[email protected]> wrote: >> I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts. >> I think a better partner would help >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Jansson.......a CB who was superb on loan.......then signed a permanent >>> deal and became crap......how many is that now? >>> >>> Bamba.....Valiukis or something......that lad from Harrogate........?????? >>> >>>> On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I >>>> was so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too. >>>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the >>>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play >>>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre >>>> back. >>>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee >>>> and not enough getting stuck in and fighting. >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written. >>>> > >>>> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but >>>> > the last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a >>>> > fan yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and >>>> > the last thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves >>>> > around the four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an >>>> > apology. Fuck off ! Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a >>>> > word with yourself. >>>> > >>>> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him >>>> > for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside >>>> > carcrash Cooper. >>>> > >>>> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally >>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave >>>> > away a bad goal. >>>> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to >>>> > not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel >>>> > a long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling, >>>> > who has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in >>>> > behind him.. I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that >>>> > was shit for us comes back and scores. >>>> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see >>>> > us arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think >>>> > Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough >>>> > and falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He >>>> > needs to grow a pair. >>>> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such >>>> > a big bloke and Grot looks useless. >>>> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed >>>> > too. Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson >>>> > is always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to >>>> > get down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he >>>> > hasn't made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, >>>> > fucks off when they're not.. >>>> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're >>>> > happy to do it after a win but again I think that's poor. >>>> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been >>>> > thinking which positions need strengthening. >>>> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home). >>>> > >>>> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any >>>> > saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't >>>> > be the long term solution. >>>> > >>>> > RB : happy with Ayling >>>> > >>>> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a >>>> > left back. >>>> > >>>> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his >>>> > attitude. >>>> > >>>> > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for >>>> > calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't >>>> > make up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me >>>> > looking to get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball >>>> > but tried to bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it >>>> > and they nearly scored. He's not a player in a promotion team for me. >>>> > >>>> > RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and >>>> > brings it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him. >>>> > >>>> > LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks >>>> > and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for >>>> > a promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This >>>> > position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, >>>> > winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like >>>> > us to throw whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that >>>> > - trouble is, I can't think of too many. Any thoughts? >>>> > >>>> > CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced positions. >>>> > >>>> > RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian >>>> > Messi" tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds said, >>>> > I think Roofe was poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight >>>> > and league one is probably his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now. >>>> > >>>> > LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more time diving >>>> > for free kicks than anything else. He's got real class but misplaced >>>> > loads of easy passes today. I think he's in decline. I'd look for an >>>> > upgrade or give Dallas a run. >>>> > >>>> > CF : thought Lasogga looked the business to start with, but in fairness >>>> > I think I'd have looked good against Burton. Needs to work a lot harder >>>> > and maybe this is why he's not played much for Hamburg. Again , hard to >>>> > judge him when he doesn't get much service but he didn't really do much >>>> > himself. >>>> > >>>> > I make my shopping list : >>>> > Experienced complete midfielder >>>> > Goalkeeper >>>> > Left back >>>> > Centre back >>>> > Winger >>>> > Striker >>>> > >>>> > Thoughts? >>>> > >>>> > Simon >>>> > >>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > >>>> > > On 14 Oct 2017, at 19:37, {broken-address} Richard Walker >>>> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just >>>> > > didn't look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good >>>> > > decision but he now has to seriously have a look at his style of play >>>> > > and look to whether he should develop a Plan B. >>>> > > It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we >>>> > > were put under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see >>>> > > the players thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. >>>> > > We continually put herself under pressure because to play this system >>>> > > you need at least one midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and >>>> > > make things happen. Both O'Kane and Philips didn't seem to want to do >>>> > > this. It took TC 45 minutes to see that this wasn't working and he >>>> > > changed it second half by moving O'Kane deep to sit between them and >>>> > > start the moves. It was better but I still don't think we're a team >>>> > > that is capable of playing this type of football in the championship. >>>> > > And whilst we've been praising TC and slagging Garry Monk (me >>>> > > included) maybe we should now begin to question whether Monk's limited >>>> > > tactics and straight forward approach with a hungry team might be a >>>> > > better way forward to this continental game that TC is trying to adopt >>>> > > with players who find it h ard t >>>> o >>>> > pass a ball at times. >>>> > > The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't >>>> > > have anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he >>>> > > is shite at 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off >>>> > > the ground and when Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft >>>> > > bloke can look ineffective in the air. >>>> > > I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two >>>> > > central midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of >>>> > > the season the TC had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded >>>> > > Philips into a new , young superstar. I think we can reflect and see >>>> > > that Philips got a 4 year contract based on a few goals and half >>>> > > decent games against the poorer teams in the league. In fact, our >>>> > > results have come against the weaker teams in the leagues and if you >>>> > > take an objective look at the table and who we have played you'd have >>>> > > to say a mid table finish with this team is about right. >>>> > > However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we >>>> > > have some better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and >>>> > > maybe pick players more suited to his style we have a chance of >>>> > > improving on last year but I think the next few games are the true >>>> > > test of TC and his team. I remember Wagner adopted this style and was >>>> > > crucified by some Town fans after variable results but he stuck to his >>>> > > task , got some players in who can handle it and he ended up in the PL. >>>> > > As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in >>>> > > confidence , poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top >>>> > > players. Their big striker had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper >>>> > > for dead in the first half - you rarely see a central defender left >>>> > > for dead like he did to Cooper. There weren't many chances (I don't >>>> > > think we had any) and Lonergan made a decent save for their only >>>> > > chance. The worrying thing for me though is that we played 45 mins >>>> > > looking like a team who weren't that bothered. We struggled to put 2 >>>> > > passes together and in midfield we didn't compete. Hernandez was again >>>> > > relegated to the left wing and Saiz was playing high up the park and >>>> > > as a result hardly had a kick as we struggled to take control of the >>>> > > game. >>>> > > Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the >>>> > > introduction of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change >>>> > > things. He gave us a bit of pace and a bit of directness that seemed >>>> > > to spur us on. Suddenly we wanted it and Saiz started to get on the >>>> > > ball and we started to llok dangerous. However as we pushed forward >>>> > > Reading did us on the break with a simple goal scored by Barrow - when >>>> > > he came it on someone commented that it was inevitable he was going to >>>> > > score. He nearly scored prior to the goal with a hard shot which was >>>> > > well saved by Lonergan. >>>> > > We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying >>>> > > over from 6 yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we >>>> > > got what we deserved as Saiz jinked into the box and was brought down. >>>> > > Hernandes, the king of penalties, stepped up and placed it with no >>>> > > pace, on the floor about 1 yard from the keeper. The easiest penalty >>>> > > save ever. Hernandes sank to his knees. Summed up the whole day and >>>> > > the performance perfectly. >>>> > > There's so many positive things going on at ER at the moment, the >>>> > > atmosphere is great pre-match and the big crowds are coming back >>>> > > however I think there's definitely a mini-crisis at the moment which >>>> > > is going to take some hard work to get out of. I go from thinking TC >>>> > > will pull it out of the bag and then I think he's actually out of his >>>> > > depth as a championship manager. Time will tell. >>>> > > Scores: >>>> > > Lonergan - 7. Good decision, he looked much more solid and made some >>>> > > good saves. But why the fuck did we get rid of Rob Green - what a fuck >>>> > > up TC has made there. >>>> > > Ayling - 6. Did ok but seemed under pressure and made mistakes >>>> > > Beradi - 6. Was up against their best player and I think first half he >>>> > > was given the run around a bit however even on a yellow card Beradi >>>> > > give him a good battle. I think TC took Beradi off cos he was heading >>>> > > for a red as the pressure mounted. >>>> > > Jansson - 5. Doesn't look like the same player to me. I think his >>>> > > partner didn't help plus the constant switching of pairings isn't >>>> > > helping either. >>>> > > Cooper - 4. I don't like him bringing the ball out from the back - he >>>> > > is incapable , I don't like his defending at times when he just looks >>>> > > like an accident waiting to happen. An incident in the 2nd half summed >>>> > > up Cooper.. Reading were in the area, Cooper made a brilliant last >>>> > > ditch tackle and brought the ball away but he seemed to get caught off >>>> > > balance and ended up having the ball taken off him and Reading gained >>>> > > possession again and should have scored. He's a dodgy defender I'm >>>> > > afraid. >>>> > > O'Kane - 5. Horrendous first half but second half I thought he did his >>>> > > best to try and make things happen. He had a couple of woeful shots >>>> > > but at least he looked like he cared. >>>> > > Philips - 2. I've always had a problem with this lad and to be fair to >>>> > > him at times this season you could argue he looks like he might be >>>> > > kicking on.. Well, I was never convinced and I think his performances >>>> > > in the last half a dozen games have shown he is not up to it and I do >>>> > > think his performances a major part of why we are struggling. He is >>>> > > one paced and he sits in games and doesn't get involved. His >>>> > > contribution to the first half was zilch, nothing, fuck all. Second >>>> > > half he made one or two tackles but watch him next game.. For someone >>>> > > who we know has a decent engine (I think ?) he doesn't track his man >>>> > > and strolls around the pitch. I wanted to see him flying around >>>> > > putting in those Forest type tackles but he doesn't. I think together >>>> > > with O'Kane they are without doubt our biggest weakness. Come on TC >>>> > > it's time for Vierra. >>>> > > Roofe - 3. He started fairly lively without being that effective but >>>> > > he just faded into insignificance. He is no winger and I still >>>> > > maintain he's no championship player. He will score goals for a lower >>>> > > league team and that's where he should be playing. >>>> > > Hernandez - 5. He had a poor game but what I like about him is that he >>>> > > always gets invovled , he chases and he tries things. You could never >>>> > > say that about Philips. His pens have been good up to now so I think >>>> > > like a lot of the players he is suffering from the lull we are in. >>>> > > Saiz - 6. Hardly had a kick first half but came into 2nd half and it >>>> > > looked like to me that he saved all his effort for the last 15 mins. >>>> > > He needs someone behind him to be effective. >>>> > > Lasogga - 3. Very disappointed with him today. This was up there with >>>> > > the worst of Chris Wood. For a big bloke he gets knocked off the ball >>>> > > too easily and he is shite in the air. I thought he was a beast >>>> > > against Burton but he was obviously up against shite that day. He >>>> > > looks like a big fairy. >>>> > > Subs; >>>> > > Sackoshit - 7 CHanged the game without any end product >>>> > > Grot - 0 He looked good against Forest, since then he's hardly done >>>> > > anything of any merit. >>>> > > Dallas - not on long enough >>>> > > TC - needs to make some big decisions. >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > Leedslist mailing list >>>> > > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> > > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > FLAME WARS 'R US >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Leedslist mailing list >>>> > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > FLAME WARS 'R US >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> FLAME WARS 'R US > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] FLAME WARS 'R US
