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> On Oct 15, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Simon McNally <[email protected]> wrote: > > Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I was > so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too. > There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the same > player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play > alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre back. > To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee and > not enough getting stuck in and fighting. > > Simon > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written. >> >> In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the >> last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan >> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last >> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the >> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off ! >> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself. >> >> Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him for >> that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside carcrash >> Cooper. >> >> On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away a >> bad goal. >> I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to not >> get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a long >> way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling, who has >> been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him. I >> knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us >> comes back and scores. >> I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us >> arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think >> Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and >> falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to >> grow a pair. >> As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a >> big bloke and Grot looks useless. >> A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too.. >> Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is always >> fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get down the >> tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't made it big >> anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off when they're >> not.. >> Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy >> to do it after a win but again I think that's poor. >> There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been >> thinking which positions need strengthening. >> Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home). >> >> GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any >> saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be >> the long term solution. >> >> RB : happy with Ayling >> >> LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a left >> back. >> >> RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his >> attitude. >> >> LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for calling >> him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make up for >> his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to get >> rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to bring >> the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly scored. >> He's not a player in a promotion team for me. >> >> RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings it >> forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him. >> >> LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks and >> looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a >> promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This >> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, winning >> tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us to throw >> whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that - trouble is, I >> can't think of too many. Any thoughts? >> >> CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced positions. >> >> RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian Messi" >> tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds said, I think >> Roofe was poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight and league one >> is probably his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now. >> >> LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more time diving for >> free kicks than anything else. He's got real class but misplaced loads of >> easy passes today. I think he's in decline. I'd look for an upgrade or give >> Dallas a run. >> >> CF : thought Lasogga looked the business to start with, but in fairness I >> think I'd have looked good against Burton. Needs to work a lot harder and >> maybe this is why he's not played much for Hamburg. Again , hard to judge >> him when he doesn't get much service but he didn't really do much himself. >> >> I make my shopping list : >> Experienced complete midfielder >> Goalkeeper >> Left back >> Centre back >> Winger >> Striker >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Simon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 14 Oct 2017, at 19:37, {broken-address} Richard Walker >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just didn't >>> look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good decision but he >>> now has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look to whether >>> he should develop a Plan B. >>> It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we were put >>> under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see the players >>> thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We continually >>> put herself under pressure because to play this system you need at least >>> one midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make things happen. Both >>> O'Kane and Philips didn't seem to want to do this. It took TC 45 minutes to >>> see that this wasn't working and he changed it second half by moving O'Kane >>> deep to sit between them and start the moves. It was better but I still >>> don't think we're a team that is capable of playing this type of football >>> in the championship. And whilst we've been praising TC and slagging Garry >>> Monk (me included) maybe we should now begin to question whether Monk's >>> limited tactics and straight forward approach with a hungry team might be a >>> better way forward to this continental game that TC is trying to adopt with >>> players who find it hard t > o >> pass a ball at times. >>> The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't have >>> anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he is shite >>> at 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the ground and >>> when Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can look >>> ineffective in the air. >>> I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two central >>> midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of the season the >>> TC had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips into a new , >>> young superstar. I think we can reflect and see that Philips got a 4 year >>> contract based on a few goals and half decent games against the poorer >>> teams in the league. In fact, our results have come against the weaker >>> teams in the leagues and if you take an objective look at the table and who >>> we have played you'd have to say a mid table finish with this team is about >>> right. >>> However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we have >>> some better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and maybe pick >>> players more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on last year >>> but I think the next few games are the true test of TC and his team. I >>> remember Wagner adopted this style and was crucified by some Town fans >>> after variable results but he stuck to his task , got some players in who >>> can handle it and he ended up in the PL. >>> As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in >>> confidence , poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players. >>> Their big striker had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead in >>> the first half - you rarely see a central defender left for dead like he >>> did to Cooper. There weren't many chances (I don't think we had any) and >>> Lonergan made a decent save for their only chance. The worrying thing for >>> me though is that we played 45 mins looking like a team who weren't that >>> bothered. We struggled to put 2 passes together and in midfield we didn't >>> compete. Hernandez was again relegated to the left wing and Saiz was >>> playing high up the park and as a result hardly had a kick as we struggled >>> to take control of the game. >>> Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the >>> introduction of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change things. >>> He gave us a bit of pace and a bit of directness that seemed to spur us on. >>> Suddenly we wanted it and Saiz started to get on the ball and we started to >>> llok dangerous. However as we pushed forward Reading did us on the break >>> with a simple goal scored by Barrow - when he came it on someone commented >>> that it was inevitable he was going to score. He nearly scored prior to the >>> goal with a hard shot which was well saved by Lonergan. >>> We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying over >>> from 6 yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we got what we >>> deserved as Saiz jinked into the box and was brought down. >>> Hernandes, the king of penalties, stepped up and placed it with no pace, on >>> the floor about 1 yard from the keeper. The easiest penalty save ever. >>> Hernandes sank to his knees. Summed up the whole day and the performance >>> perfectly. >>> There's so many positive things going on at ER at the moment, the >>> atmosphere is great pre-match and the big crowds are coming back however I >>> think there's definitely a mini-crisis at the moment which is going to take >>> some hard work to get out of. I go from thinking TC will pull it out of the >>> bag and then I think he's actually out of his depth as a championship >>> manager. Time will tell. >>> Scores: >>> Lonergan - 7. Good decision, he looked much more solid and made some good >>> saves. But why the fuck did we get rid of Rob Green - what a fuck up TC has >>> made there. >>> Ayling - 6. Did ok but seemed under pressure and made mistakes >>> Beradi - 6. Was up against their best player and I think first half he was >>> given the run around a bit however even on a yellow card Beradi give him a >>> good battle. I think TC took Beradi off cos he was heading for a red as the >>> pressure mounted. >>> Jansson - 5. Doesn't look like the same player to me. I think his partner >>> didn't help plus the constant switching of pairings isn't helping either. >>> Cooper - 4. I don't like him bringing the ball out from the back - he is >>> incapable , I don't like his defending at times when he just looks like an >>> accident waiting to happen. An incident in the 2nd half summed up Cooper. >>> Reading were in the area, Cooper made a brilliant last ditch tackle and >>> brought the ball away but he seemed to get caught off balance and ended up >>> having the ball taken off him and Reading gained possession again and >>> should have scored. He's a dodgy defender I'm afraid. >>> O'Kane - 5. Horrendous first half but second half I thought he did his best >>> to try and make things happen. He had a couple of woeful shots but at least >>> he looked like he cared. >>> Philips - 2. I've always had a problem with this lad and to be fair to him >>> at times this season you could argue he looks like he might be kicking >>> on... Well, I was never convinced and I think his performances in the last >>> half a dozen games have shown he is not up to it and I do think his >>> performances a major part of why we are struggling. He is one paced and he >>> sits in games and doesn't get involved. His contribution to the first half >>> was zilch, nothing, fuck all. Second half he made one or two tackles but >>> watch him next game.. For someone who we know has a decent engine (I think >>> ?) he doesn't track his man and strolls around the pitch. I wanted to see >>> him flying around putting in those Forest type tackles but he doesn't. I >>> think together with O'Kane they are without doubt our biggest weakness. >>> Come on TC it's time for Vierra. >>> Roofe - 3. He started fairly lively without being that effective but he >>> just faded into insignificance. He is no winger and I still maintain he's >>> no championship player. He will score goals for a lower league team and >>> that's where he should be playing. >>> Hernandez - 5. He had a poor game but what I like about him is that he >>> always gets invovled , he chases and he tries things. You could never say >>> that about Philips. His pens have been good up to now so I think like a lot >>> of the players he is suffering from the lull we are in. >>> Saiz - 6. Hardly had a kick first half but came into 2nd half and it looked >>> like to me that he saved all his effort for the last 15 mins. He needs >>> someone behind him to be effective. >>> Lasogga - 3. Very disappointed with him today. This was up there with the >>> worst of Chris Wood. For a big bloke he gets knocked off the ball too >>> easily and he is shite in the air. I thought he was a beast against Burton >>> but he was obviously up against shite that day. He looks like a big fairy. >>> Subs; >>> Sackoshit - 7 CHanged the game without any end product >>> Grot - 0 He looked good against Forest, since then he's hardly done >>> anything of any merit. >>> Dallas - not on long enough >>> TC - needs to make some big decisions. >> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> >>> FLAME WARS 'R US >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> >> FLAME WARS 'R US >> > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > > FLAME WARS 'R US _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] FLAME WARS 'R US
