Yeah but he was brilliant while he was on loan.......that's my point On 15 Oct 2017 21:07, "Simon McNally" <[email protected]> wrote:
> O'Brien was dreadful > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 15 Oct 2017, at 13:51, Rob Heath <[email protected]> wrote: > > (O'Brien.............that was the other one I was talking about.) > > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Simon McNally <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts. >> I think a better partner would help >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Jansson.......a CB who was superb on loan.......then signed a permanent >> deal and became crap......how many is that now? >> >> Bamba.....Valiukis or something......that lad from >> Harrogate.........?????? >> On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I >>> was so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too. >>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the >>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play >>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre >>> back. >>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee >>> and not enough getting stuck in and fighting. >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written. >>> > >>> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but >>> the last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan >>> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last >>> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the >>> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off ! >>> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself. >>> > >>> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame >>> him for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside >>> carcrash Cooper. >>> > >>> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave >>> away a bad goal. >>> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by >>> to not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel >>> a long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling, >>> who has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind >>> him... I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit >>> for us comes back and scores. >>> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to >>> see us arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I >>> think Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong >>> enough and falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. >>> He needs to grow a pair. >>> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for >>> such a big bloke and Grot looks useless. >>> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed >>> too. Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is >>> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get >>> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't >>> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off >>> when they're not.. >>> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're >>> happy to do it after a win but again I think that's poor. >>> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been >>> thinking which positions need strengthening. >>> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home). >>> > >>> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make >>> any saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't >>> be the long term solution. >>> > >>> > RB : happy with Ayling >>> > >>> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not >>> a left back. >>> > >>> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially >>> his attitude. >>> > >>> > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for >>> calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make >>> up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to >>> get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to >>> bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly >>> scored. He's not a player in a promotion team for me. >>> > >>> > RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and >>> brings it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him. >>> > >>> > LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the >>> ranks and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player >>> for a promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This >>> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, >>> winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us >>> to throw whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that - >>> trouble is, I can't think of too many. Any thoughts? >>> > >>> > CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced >>> positions. >>> > >>> > RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian >>> Messi" tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds said, I >>> think Roofe was poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight and >>> league one is probably his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now. >>> > >>> > LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more time >>> diving for free kicks than anything else. He's got real class but misplaced >>> loads of easy passes today. I think he's in decline. I'd look for an >>> upgrade or give Dallas a run. >>> > >>> > CF : thought Lasogga looked the business to start with, but in >>> fairness I think I'd have looked good against Burton. Needs to work a lot >>> harder and maybe this is why he's not played much for Hamburg. Again , hard >>> to judge him when he doesn't get much service but he didn't really do much >>> himself. >>> > >>> > I make my shopping list : >>> > Experienced complete midfielder >>> > Goalkeeper >>> > Left back >>> > Centre back >>> > Winger >>> > Striker >>> > >>> > Thoughts? >>> > >>> > Simon >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> > > On 14 Oct 2017, at 19:37, {broken-address} Richard Walker < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just >>> didn't look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good decision >>> but he now has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look to >>> whether he should develop a Plan B. >>> > > It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we >>> were put under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see the >>> players thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We >>> continually put herself under pressure because to play this system you need >>> at least one midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make things >>> happen. Both O'Kane and Philips didn't seem to want to do this. It took TC >>> 45 minutes to see that this wasn't working and he changed it second half by >>> moving O'Kane deep to sit between them and start the moves. It was better >>> but I still don't think we're a team that is capable of playing this type >>> of football in the championship. And whilst we've been praising TC and >>> slagging Garry Monk (me included) maybe we should now begin to question >>> whether Monk's limited tactics and straight forward approach with a hungry >>> team might be a better way forward to this continental game that TC is >>> trying to adopt with players who find it hard t >>> o >>> > pass a ball at times. >>> > > The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't >>> have anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he is >>> shite at 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the ground >>> and when Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can look >>> ineffective in the air. >>> > > I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two >>> central midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of the >>> season the TC had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips into >>> a new , young superstar. I think we can reflect and see that Philips got a >>> 4 year contract based on a few goals and half decent games against the >>> poorer teams in the league. In fact, our results have come against the >>> weaker teams in the leagues and if you take an objective look at the table >>> and who we have played you'd have to say a mid table finish with this team >>> is about right. >>> > > However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we >>> have some better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and maybe >>> pick players more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on last >>> year but I think the next few games are the true test of TC and his team. I >>> remember Wagner adopted this style and was crucified by some Town fans >>> after variable results but he stuck to his task , got some players in who >>> can handle it and he ended up in the PL. >>> > > As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in >>> confidence , poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players. >>> Their big striker had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead in >>> the first half - you rarely see a central defender left for dead like he >>> did to Cooper. There weren't many chances (I don't think we had any) and >>> Lonergan made a decent save for their only chance. The worrying thing for >>> me though is that we played 45 mins looking like a team who weren't that >>> bothered. We struggled to put 2 passes together and in midfield we didn't >>> compete. Hernandez was again relegated to the left wing and Saiz was >>> playing high up the park and as a result hardly had a kick as we struggled >>> to take control of the game. >>> > > Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the >>> introduction of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change things. >>> He gave us a bit of pace and a bit of directness that seemed to spur us on. >>> Suddenly we wanted it and Saiz started to get on the ball and we started to >>> llok dangerous. However as we pushed forward Reading did us on the break >>> with a simple goal scored by Barrow - when he came it on someone commented >>> that it was inevitable he was going to score. He nearly scored prior to the >>> goal with a hard shot which was well saved by Lonergan. >>> > > We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying >>> over from 6 yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we got >>> what we deserved as Saiz jinked into the box and was brought down. >>> > > Hernandes, the king of penalties, stepped up and placed it with no >>> pace, on the floor about 1 yard from the keeper. The easiest penalty save >>> ever. Hernandes sank to his knees. Summed up the whole day and the >>> performance perfectly. >>> > > There's so many positive things going on at ER at the moment, the >>> atmosphere is great pre-match and the big crowds are coming back however I >>> think there's definitely a mini-crisis at the moment which is going to take >>> some hard work to get out of. I go from thinking TC will pull it out of the >>> bag and then I think he's actually out of his depth as a championship >>> manager. Time will tell. >>> > > Scores: >>> > > Lonergan - 7. Good decision, he looked much more solid and made some >>> good saves. But why the fuck did we get rid of Rob Green - what a fuck up >>> TC has made there. >>> > > Ayling - 6. Did ok but seemed under pressure and made mistakes >>> > > Beradi - 6. Was up against their best player and I think first half >>> he was given the run around a bit however even on a yellow card Beradi give >>> him a good battle. I think TC took Beradi off cos he was heading for a red >>> as the pressure mounted. >>> > > Jansson - 5. Doesn't look like the same player to me. I think his >>> partner didn't help plus the constant switching of pairings isn't helping >>> either. >>> > > Cooper - 4. I don't like him bringing the ball out from the back - >>> he is incapable , I don't like his defending at times when he just looks >>> like an accident waiting to happen. An incident in the 2nd half summed up >>> Cooper. Reading were in the area, Cooper made a brilliant last ditch tackle >>> and brought the ball away but he seemed to get caught off balance and ended >>> up having the ball taken off him and Reading gained possession again and >>> should have scored. He's a dodgy defender I'm afraid. >>> > > O'Kane - 5. Horrendous first half but second half I thought he did >>> his best to try and make things happen. He had a couple of woeful shots but >>> at least he looked like he cared. >>> > > Philips - 2. I've always had a problem with this lad and to be fair >>> to him at times this season you could argue he looks like he might be >>> kicking on.. Well, I was never convinced and I think his performances in >>> the last half a dozen games have shown he is not up to it and I do think >>> his performances a major part of why we are struggling. He is one paced and >>> he sits in games and doesn't get involved. His contribution to the first >>> half was zilch, nothing, fuck all. Second half he made one or two tackles >>> but watch him next game.. For someone who we know has a decent engine (I >>> think ?) he doesn't track his man and strolls around the pitch. I wanted to >>> see him flying around putting in those Forest type tackles but he doesn't. >>> I think together with O'Kane they are without doubt our biggest weakness. >>> Come on TC it's time for Vierra. >>> > > Roofe - 3. He started fairly lively without being that effective but >>> he just faded into insignificance. He is no winger and I still maintain >>> he's no championship player. He will score goals for a lower league team >>> and that's where he should be playing. >>> > > Hernandez - 5. He had a poor game but what I like about him is that >>> he always gets invovled , he chases and he tries things. You could never >>> say that about Philips. His pens have been good up to now so I think like a >>> lot of the players he is suffering from the lull we are in. >>> > > Saiz - 6. Hardly had a kick first half but came into 2nd half and it >>> looked like to me that he saved all his effort for the last 15 mins. He >>> needs someone behind him to be effective. >>> > > Lasogga - 3. Very disappointed with him today. This was up there >>> with the worst of Chris Wood. For a big bloke he gets knocked off the ball >>> too easily and he is shite in the air. I thought he was a beast against >>> Burton but he was obviously up against shite that day. He looks like a big >>> fairy. >>> > > Subs; >>> > > Sackoshit - 7 CHanged the game without any end product >>> > > Grot - 0 He looked good against Forest, since then he's hardly done >>> anything of any merit. >>> > > Dallas - not on long enough >>> > > TC - needs to make some big decisions. >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Leedslist mailing list >>> > > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mai >>> lman/listinfo/leedslist >>> > > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > FLAME WARS 'R US >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Leedslist mailing list >>> > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mai >>> lman/listinfo/leedslist >>> > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> > >>> > >>> > FLAME WARS 'R US >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> >>> FLAME WARS 'R US >>> >> > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] FLAME WARS 'R US
