On 29/05/2013 01:50, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: > "Herzog Johann III der Freiliche Von Kleve herzog von Juelich und von > Berg" [Herzog is Duke in German] > > Duke is a Title (regardless if born with it or appointed) > > > I would put Duke in the Prefix, > > Johann III Der Freiliche in Given Name (Unless der Freiliche is a > reference to his father) > > Von Kleve in Surname > > and > herzog von Juelich und von Berg in AKA since this is apparently a second > Title/ birthright > > > That should get some opinions.... > > Jay > > > > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM, lee zuker <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > It appears that there is no standard for handling surnames, but I am > wondering if some have a good solution to this problem: > > I am having a problem with surname entry into Legacy, that perhaps > you can help me with or point me to someone that could. > > I have many ancestors, like most of use, back in the 14th century > and older. > > And I don't know what to do with the pieces of their names were > basically their "surname" is "from somewhere". > > take a simple one… > > Anne of Cleves, daughter of John III, Duke of Cleves > > Since there is no family surname, i am using "of Cleves" as a surname. > > But if there were a known surname, as sometimes there is, would "of > Cleves" become a suffix? > > and for her father, would the surname be "Duke of Cleves"? > > With Legacy, since there is a separate prefix, Duke could be a > prefix, but then the order of is changed. > > and then there is the nagging "Sir"…... that could also be the prefix. > > or the surname "of Cleves", and the suffix then be "Duke", or some > other way. > > > According to Wikipedia his real name is" > "Herzog Johann III der Freiliche Von Kleve herzog von Juelich und > von Berg" [Herzog is Duke in German] > personally I tend to put all this in AKA > It was almost certainly in LUG (some time ago) that I read that one should not make entries in the Prefix or Suffix field if that information did not apply at the time of the birth of the individual. I don't remember if that was the poster's personal opinion or a generally accepted rule.
I think I am inclined to agree. If a title was inherited at some stage in a person's life I would create an Event to cover this. If they were born a Duke, Prince or whatever I would put this in the prefix. As for the surname, "of Somewhere" was commonly used as such and many of these "of" names developed into the regular surnames we know to-day. I would use "of Somewhere" in the place of a surname. In this case, like Jay, I would use "von Kleve" as the surname. If Johan was born into his Dukedom I would use Herzog as the prefix. (Not Duke, unless the "von Kleve" surname is also to be translated to "of Cleves.) -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
