Lee, You are quite correct to draw attention to the fact that there was no family name as such. In the case of Ann of Cleves, I would agree that the most appropriate surname would be “of Cleves” similar to the use of “D’Harcourt” as derived from the French meaning “of Harcourt”.
Many are not aware the the British aristocracy more often then not do have “real” names! For example the 12th Duke of Devonshire was the son of the 11th Duke, named Andrew Cavendish, and his full name is actually Peregrine Andrew Morny Cavendish. Five months after birth he was given the title of Earl of Burlington and in 1950 the Marquess of Hartington, becoming the Duke in 2004 on the death of his father. The description of the manner of use of aristocratic titles is well described at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28royalty_and_nobility%29#British_nobility In my view the adoption of these titles would be Events. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: lee zuker Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LegacyUG] Treatment of Historic "Surnames" It appears that there is no standard for handling surnames, but I am wondering if some have a good solution to this problem: I am having a problem with surname entry into Legacy, that perhaps you can help me with or point me to someone that could. I have many ancestors, like most of use, back in the 14th century and older. And I don't know what to do with the pieces of their names were basically their "surname" is "from somewhere". take a simple one… Anne of Cleves, daughter of John III, Duke of Cleves Since there is no family surname, i am using "of Cleves" as a surname. But if there were a known surname, as sometimes there is, would "of Cleves" become a suffix? and for her father, would the surname be "Duke of Cleves"? With Legacy, since there is a separate prefix, Duke could be a prefix, but then the order of is changed. and then there is the nagging "Sir"…... that could also be the prefix. or the surname "of Cleves", and the suffix then be "Duke", or some other way. According to Wikipedia his real name is" "Herzog Johann III der Freiliche Von Kleve herzog von Juelich und von Berg" [Herzog is Duke in German] personally I tend to put all this in AKA perhaps this will get a discussion going Lee Zuker Shelton, WA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
