Kathy, I've been sitting here for two days with my mouth hanging open at that WONderful description you gave then on how you write your sources to show everything about them. And then this, too. Thank you for taking me down a peg from thinking I was pretty good at getting my sources at all. I now know what I'll be aiming for. Thank you,
Jane in Phoenix (first I need to take a good look at all the source templates) -----Original Message----- From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Cathy Pinner Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:29 PM To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms Ian, It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This has been asked for, but for some reason rejected. Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives can be sourced using a Census template that has the relevant fields for the Department code and series number in the Master Source and a field for the piece number in the Source Detail. I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA citation style. In this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to break her principles of keeping a reference together. I haven't seen the latest editions of her work to see if she's amended her English Census models. Cathy > Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> > Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM > > Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered > the different methods of recording in various countries at different > times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure. > > Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates created > by others for their specific purpose are “transferrable”? That is, are > they a separate named file on the creator’s disk, which could be > uploaded to a site where others might download and then install into > their Legacy system on their computer? > > If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community resource could > be created. > > I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed, from v8 > (or before?) to v9 of Legacy. > > Ian Thomas > > Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia > > Barry Godbeer <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com> > Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM > Cathy, > > Thank you for your quick and helpful reply. > > You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in Legacy that > would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly having a different > Master Source for every church. If I understand your two examples > correctly you have some Master Sources for individual churches and > some for a central depository depending on where you sourced the > information. > > Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism Master > Sources using a central depository (SWHT/Parochial Church > Council/Findmypast), understanding that nothing works for ever. I have > overlooked marriage banns in the past because I didn't know what to do > with them. Now you have given me direction. > > Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered > the different methods of recording in various countries at different > times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure. > > Thanks again, > > Barry Godbeer > > > > > On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Barry, > > Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records > are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak. > So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created > at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the > format you've used. I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than > online images as I've seem some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare > visit to England and some online. > I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: > eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church > Council & FindMyPast > I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have > instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive. > In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc. > I learn where the registers actually are arc hived. > > So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); > Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church > Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. > and a source citation: > St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15 > 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Rebecca > Mawditt; Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial > Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. > > This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that particular > register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I look at the > Archive catalogue and find it and also record their microfilm number, > if any is given. At the archives you can usually only see parish > registers on microfilm - and probably now the online images. > > The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the actual > register ( or church and register if you chose to have one Master > Source for Devon Heritage Centre) > Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and record > number from the register etc > > Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Dorset, England), > "Christenings PE/FOL/RE 2/1 1813-1906," p 1, no 3 baptism of George > Uppill (1813); Images courtesy DHC and Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm > MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre, Dorchester. > > Does that help? > Cathy > > Barry Godbeer wrote: > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com> > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > > Cathy Pinner <mailto:genea...@gmail.com> > Sunday, 23 April 2017 9:55 AM > Barry, > > Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records > are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak. > So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created > at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the > format you've used. I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than > online images as I've seem some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare > visit to England and some online. > I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: > eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church > Council & FindMyPast > I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have > instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive. > In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc. > I learn where the registers actually are arc hived. > > So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); > Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church > Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. > and a source citation: > St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15 > 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Rebecca > Mawditt; Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial > Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. > > This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that particular > register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I look at the > Archive catalogue and find it and also record their microfilm number, > if any is given. At the archives you can usually only see parish > registers on microfilm - and probably now the online images. > > The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the actual > register ( or church and register if you chose to have one Master > Source for Devon Heritage Centre) > Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and record > number from the register etc > > Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Dorset, England), > "Christenings PE/FOL/RE 2/1 1813-1906," p 1, no 3 baptism of George > Uppill (1813); Images courtesy DHC and Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm > MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre, Dorchester. > > Does that help? > Cathy > > Barry Godbeer wrote: > Barry Godbeer <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com> > Sunday, 23 April 2017 5:39 AM > I am having a hard time finding the a appropriate Source Writer for > Baptisms in various counties in England and Wales. > > The Source Writer for Church Records mentions nothing about Baptisms, > unless I have developed tunnel vision, and it is there right under my > nose. > > My OS is Microsoft Vista and my LFT is 8.0.0.598. Must update computer > soon! > > As attachments are not allowed I will try to explain my problem. > > I have an image of a Baptism, viewed in Findmypast, in the Parish of > Lower Brixham (Devon, England) that has a page number and an entry > number with a reference to South West Heritage Trust and Parochial > Church Council in the left margin. > > The transcript, copyright of Findmypast, has, besides the name of the > individual, date of Baptism, father and mother,etc it list the > location of the Baptism as Brixham, All Saints (not mentioned on the > image), the Archive as South West Heritage Trust (no mention of the > Parochial Church Council), an archive reference (1955A/PR/1/1) that > makes no mention of the page number or line number and whose archive > reference is it? > > For sourcing purposes who holds the original Baptism document, the > Parochial Church Council, South West Heritage Trust or Findmypast? > Only the South West Heritage Trust and Findmypast have URLs. In years > to come which of the three will still be around? > > Do I select Source Writer>Church Records>Church Record Books>created > at local level (parish, congregation, meetings, etc and do I do the > best I can with that? The Source Detail related to this Master Source > is not very informative. > > To date I have not attached any images or transcripts to any sources > or citations which might help complete the picture of the source, but > that's another To Do Task. > > So does anyone have any suggestions? Has anyone with ancestors in > England come up with a solution that makes sense? > > Barry Godbeer > > Canada -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
