Cathy I can guess at why Millennium doesn’t “publish” on-disk templates for SourceWriter: I think their rules-based code is within some password-protected mdb files (disguised as .dbm). or at least that is the way that I would code it. Also, whether the above is right or wrong – if the formatting of sources is so divergent between times in history and jurisdictions (as for example, the dogs’-breakfast of even the online BDM databases in the 7 or so States of Australia, over the less than 200 years of record-keeping) it would be a big task for them to research and implement the rules for sources for additional to those in the USA.
(just my conjectures) Thanks for the tip. I don’t want to accumulate sources stored in ways that make retrieval or maintenance a big chore, or inflexible. Ian Thomas Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cathy Pinner Sent: Monday, 24 April 2017 7:03 PM To: Legacy User Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms Unless Basic sources were rudimentary or really badly formatted and the Basic Master Source can't be edited into respectable format, then don't even consider changing Basic Sources to SourceWriter sources. It's a slow tedious job which is only worth doing if the source isn't sufficiently informative and needs to be redone anyway - like some of my early sources from the 1990s. Making your own guides to how you enter Basic Sources is a great idea. Cathy Ian Thomas wrote: Carolyn, that sounds interesting. My ancestors and connections to the side are AU, NZ, England Wales Scotland Ireland. There are very peripheral USA, Canada, South Africa. Currently, my use of sources is primitive. I’m not using SourceWriter (though I thought I should be). It raises the question to me how difficult it will be to convert my ‘basic’ source entries to SourceWriter. I will check out Help. Ian Thomas Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia *From:*LegacyUserGroup [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *carogene *Sent:* Monday, 24 April 2017 3:35 PM *To:* Legacy User Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms But you can create your own source templates using the basic system. I have a set that works well for New Zealand, Australian, UK records. Developed as the source writer system is way to US centric (long winded) for my records. Carolyn On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cathy Pinner <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%20%0b%3cmailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: Ian, It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This has bee n asked for, but for some reason rejected. Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives can be sourced using a Census template that has the relevant fields for the Department code and series number in the Master Source and a field for the piece number in the Source Detail. I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA citation style. In this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to break her principles of keeping a reference together. I haven't seen the latest editions of her work to see if she's amended her English Census models. Cathy Ian Thomas <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%0b %20%3cmailto:[email protected]%20> >> Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered the different methods of recording in various countries at different times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure. Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates created by others for their specific purpose are “transferrable”? That is, are they a separate named file on the creator’s disk, which could be uploaded to a site where others might download and then install into their Legacy system on their computer? If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community resource could be created. I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed, from v8 (or before?) to v9 of Legacy. Ian Thomas Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia Barry Godbeer <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%0b %20%3cmailto:[email protected]>>> Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM Cathy, &nbs p; Thank you for your quick and helpful reply. You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in Legacy that would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly having a different Master Source for every church. If I understand your two examples correctly you have some Master Sources for individual churches and some for a central depository depending on where you sourced the information. Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism Master Sources using a central depository (SWHT/Parochial Church Council/Findmypast), understan ding that nothing works for ever. I have overlooked marriage banns in the past because I didn't know what to do with them. Now you have given me direction. Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered the different methods of recording in various countries at different times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure. Thanks again, Barry Godbeer On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner <geneakit@ gmail.com <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Barry, Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak. So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the format you've used. I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than online images as I've seem some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to England and some & nbsp; online. I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive. In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc. I learn where the registers actually are arc hived. So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); Images courtesy of So uth West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. and a source citation: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Rebecca Mawditt; Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that particular register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I & nbsp; look at the Archive catalogue and find it and also record their microfilm number, if any is given. At the archives you can usually only see parish registers on microfilm - and probably now the online images. The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the actual register ( or church and register if you chose to have one Master Source for Devon Heritage Centre) Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and record number from the register etc Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Do rset, England), "Christenings PE/FOL/RE 2/1 1813-1906," p 1, no 3 baptism of George Uppill (1813); Images courtesy DHC and Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre, Dorchester. Does that help? Cathy Barry Godbeer wrote: -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%0b %20 %20%3cmailto:[email protected]>>> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Cathy Pinner <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%0b %20%3cmailto:[email protected]>>> Sunday, 23 April 2017 9:55 AM Barry, Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records are recorded in Church Registers or "record boo ks" in Legacy speak. So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the format you've used. I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than online images as I've seem some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to England and some online. I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast &nb sp; I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive. In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc. I learn where the registers actually are arc hived. So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. and a source citation: St Margaret (Topsham , Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Rebecca Mawditt; Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that particular register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I look at the Archive catalogue and find it and also record their microfilm number, if any is given. At the archives you can usually only see parish registers on microfilm - and ; probably now the online images. The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the actual register ( or church and register if you chose to have one Master Source for Devon Heritage Centre) Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and record number from the register etc Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Dorset, England), "Christenings PE/FOL/RE 2/1 1813-1906," p 1, no 3 baptism of George Uppill (1813); Images courtesy DHC and Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre, &nb sp; Dorchester. Does that help? Cathy Barry Godbeer wrote: Barry Godbeer <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%0b %20%3cmailto:[email protected]>>> Sunday, 23 April 2017 5:39 AM I am having a hard time finding the a appropriate Source Writer for Baptisms in various counties in England and Wales. The Source Writer for Church Records mentions nothing about Baptisms, unless I have developed tunnel vision, and it is the re right under my nose. My OS is Microsoft Vista and my LFT is 8.0.0.598. Must update computer soon! As attachments are not allowed I will try to explain my problem. I have an image of a Baptism, viewed in Findmypast, in the Parish of Lower Brixham (Devon, England) that has a page number and an entry number with a reference to South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council in the left margin. The transcript, copyright of Findmypast, has, besides the name of the individual, date of Baptism, father and mother,etc it &nb sp; list the location of the Baptism as Brixham, All Saints (not mentioned on the image), the Archive as South West Heritage Trust (no mention of the Parochial Church Council), an archive reference (1955A/PR/1/1) that makes no mention of the page number or line number and whose archive reference is it? For sourcing purposes who holds the original Baptism document, the Parochial Church Council, South West Heritage Trust or Findmypast? Only the South West Heritage Trust and Findmypast have URLs. In years to come which of the three wil l still be around? Do I select Source Writer>Church Records>Church Record Books>created at local level (parish, congregation, meetings, etc and do I do the best I can with that? The Source Detail related to this Master Source is not very informative. To date I have not attached any images or transcripts to any sources or citations which might help complete the picture of the source, but that's another To Do Task. So does anyone have any suggestions? Has anyone with ancestors in England come up with a solution that makes sense? Barry Godbeer Canada -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
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