Thanks John for this.

I'm now making my own outliner for interactive documentation, kind of a combination of Leo and IPython but in pharo smalltalk, so I'm using Leo less, but the community and its talks are a permanent source of inspiration.

Cheers,

Offray

On 30/08/15 15:23, john lunzer wrote:
A new user recently said to me, "Leo is powerful and flexible -- and complex and bewildering". This is true. I believe it is always the goal of developers to make their software less complex and bewildering but keep in mind that Leo has been in development for over 20 years and has ~1.5 million lines of code (IIRC). This puts it right up there with Vim and Emacs in terms of maturity. My own experience with Vim and Emacs have been quite similar to my experience with Leo. All three are powerful and flexible and complex and bewildering in their own right.

I believe with tools of this weight and impact, there will always be an investment in learning them. They're all vast forests of features filled with hidden treasures and in the case of each of them he/she that invests in the tool will be rewarded for their effort. It is, however, the responsibility of the community (led by the developers) to help make that treasure hunt as enjoyable and adventurous as possible, as any good treasure hunt should be.

And this is where Leo does not falter, in the helpfulness of its community (small though it may be). I will reiterate what Edward has said many times, do not struggle on your own if you are lost, confused, or bewildered. Please ask questions. If the documentation or examples do not meet your needs, please ask questions. In my own experience as a once new user (though there may be the occasional disagreement) you will not be chided, scorned, or belittled but will be met with more even more help than you originally asked for.
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