I have been quiet recently with regards to Leo. This is because I spent the greater part of a week and half looking into vim and Emacs as development vessels. I've spent many many months learning to get Leo to show me the innards of code in a way I've never experienced before. The lack of outlining feels like a handicap at best and trying to program nearly blind at worst. It is my belief that the journey to coerce vim and Emacs to bend to any developers programming will is as arduous as the journey to get Leo to bend to ones will. I will spend more time learning vim because I need an *editor* when I'm navigating command line Linux, vim provides this without tacking on a semi complete operating system.
For the foreseeable future Leo will be my IDE of choice, as I see that Leo can (or will with future development) be coerced to do most of vim and Emacs and provides arbitrary levels of abstraction and code navigation naturally. I found I've come to take Leo's outlining capability for granted, but now I appreciate it all the more and wish to continue to improve Leo's functionality and user interface as long as I need to manipulate code for work or pleasure. Sorry for the long note, just thought I'd share a recent experience of the other side. On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 4:23:24 PM UTC-4, john lunzer wrote: > > A new user recently said to me, "Leo is powerful and flexible -- and > complex and bewildering". This is true. I believe it is always the goal of > developers to make their software less complex and bewildering but keep in > mind that Leo has been in development for over 20 years and has ~1.5 > million lines of code (IIRC). This puts it right up there with Vim and > Emacs in terms of maturity. My own experience with Vim and Emacs have been > quite similar to my experience with Leo. All three are powerful and > flexible and complex and bewildering in their own right. > > I believe with tools of this weight and impact, there will always be an > investment in learning them. They're all vast forests of features filled > with hidden treasures and in the case of each of them he/she that invests > in the tool will be rewarded for their effort. It is, however, the > responsibility of the community (led by the developers) to help make that > treasure hunt as enjoyable and adventurous as possible, as any good > treasure hunt should be. > > And this is where Leo does not falter, in the helpfulness of its community > (small though it may be). I will reiterate what Edward has said many times, > do not struggle on your own if you are lost, confused, or bewildered. > Please ask questions. If the documentation or examples do not meet your > needs, please ask questions. In my own experience as a once new user (though > there may be the occasional disagreement) you will not be chided, > scorned, or belittled but will be met with more even more help than you > originally asked for. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
