Je je, no offense taken. I would like to see some cross-pollination
between projects, but mine is not mature enough yet. Anyway the idea of
mixing the interactivity of IPython with the "organic way" of Leo trees
for writing was an idea I want to explore long time ago. For me
Smalltalk beats almost everything I know in terms of learnability and
interactivity, once you get the mantra "everything is an object". Some
details of this travel here:
http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/grafoscopio-idea-and-initial-progress.html
Cheers,
Offray
On 02/09/15 09:28, john lunzer wrote:
I think it's the highest honor for Leo to have "clones" (forgive the
pun and diminutive term) being made in other languages/platforms. More
seriously, it's awesome that Leo can inspire such projects!
On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 12:11:29 PM UTC-4, Offray Vladimir
Luna Cárdenas wrote:
Thanks John for this.
I'm now making my own outliner for interactive documentation, kind
of a combination of Leo and IPython but in pharo smalltalk, so I'm
using Leo less, but the community and its talks are a permanent
source of inspiration.
Cheers,
Offray
On 30/08/15 15:23, john lunzer wrote:
A new user recently said to me, "Leo is powerful and flexible --
and complex and bewildering". This is true. I believe it is
always the goal of developers to make their software less complex
and bewildering but keep in mind that Leo has been in development
for over 20 years and has ~1.5 million lines of code (IIRC). This
puts it right up there with Vim and Emacs in terms of maturity.
My own experience with Vim and Emacs have been quite similar to
my experience with Leo. All three are powerful and flexible and
complex and bewildering in their own right.
I believe with tools of this weight and impact, there will always
be an investment in learning them. They're all vast forests of
features filled with hidden treasures and in the case of each of
them he/she that invests in the tool will be rewarded for their
effort. It is, however, the responsibility of the community (led
by the developers) to help make that treasure hunt as enjoyable
and adventurous as possible, as any good treasure hunt should be.
And this is where Leo does not falter, in the helpfulness of its
community (small though it may be). I will reiterate what Edward
has said many times, do not struggle on your own if you are lost,
confused, or bewildered. Please ask questions. If the
documentation or examples do not meet your needs, please ask
questions. In my own experience as a once new user (though there
may be the occasional disagreement) you will not be chided,
scorned, or belittled but will be met with more even more help
than you originally asked for.
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