On 9/2/15 9:05 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:
Je je, no offense taken. I would like to see some cross-pollination
between projects, but mine is not mature enough yet. Anyway the idea
of mixing the interactivity of IPython with the "organic way" of Leo
trees for writing was an idea I want to explore long time ago. For me
Smalltalk beats almost everything I know in terms of learnability and
interactivity, once you get the mantra "everything is an object". Some
details of this travel here:
http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/grafoscopio-idea-and-initial-progress.html
From an old Smalltalker, it's nice to see it's still alive, at least in
some places! I remember having a few pains learning Python, missing
Smalltalk's closures.
Smiling,
Dwig
Cheers,
Offray
On 02/09/15 09:28, john lunzer wrote:
I think it's the highest honor for Leo to have "clones" (forgive the
pun and diminutive term) being made in other languages/platforms.
More seriously, it's awesome that Leo can inspire such projects!
On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 12:11:29 PM UTC-4, Offray Vladimir
Luna Cárdenas wrote:
Thanks John for this.
I'm now making my own outliner for interactive documentation,
kind of a combination of Leo and IPython but in pharo smalltalk,
so I'm using Leo less, but the community and its talks are a
permanent source of inspiration.
Cheers,
Offray
On 30/08/15 15:23, john lunzer wrote:
A new user recently said to me, "Leo is powerful and flexible --
and complex and bewildering". This is true. I believe it is
always the goal of developers to make their software less
complex and bewildering but keep in mind that Leo has been in
development for over 20 years and has ~1.5 million lines of code
(IIRC). This puts it right up there with Vim and Emacs in terms
of maturity. My own experience with Vim and Emacs have been
quite similar to my experience with Leo. All three are powerful
and flexible and complex and bewildering in their own right.
I believe with tools of this weight and impact, there will
always be an investment in learning them. They're all vast
forests of features filled with hidden treasures and in the case
of each of them he/she that invests in the tool will be rewarded
for their effort. It is, however, the responsibility of the
community (led by the developers) to help make that treasure
hunt as enjoyable and adventurous as possible, as any good
treasure hunt should be.
And this is where Leo does not falter, in the helpfulness of its
community (small though it may be). I will reiterate what Edward
has said many times, do not struggle on your own if you are
lost, confused, or bewildered. Please ask questions. If the
documentation or examples do not meet your needs, please ask
questions. In my own experience as a once new user (though there
may be the occasional disagreement) you will not be chided,
scorned, or belittled but will be met with more even more help
than you originally asked for.
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