> -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Woods [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2010 5:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP. > > Gav, I updated the committer list with my information. I committed the > change... hoping to see the site updated shortly.
Thanks Eric, One last thing to do was , log into people.apache.org and: [gmcdon...@minotaur:~]$ svn up /www/incubator.apache.org/ U /www/incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html Updated to revision 1041178. So should appear in an hour or so. Gav... > > Thanks, > Eric W. > > > On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Gav... wrote: > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: ant elder [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP. > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to > >>> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an > >>> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks > >>> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel > >>> we are following the guidelines learned along the way. > >>> > >>> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board > >>> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll > >>> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible. > >>> > >>> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP. > >>> > >>> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way. > >>> > >>> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ... > >>> > >>> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation. > >>> > >>> This vote will close one week from today. > >>> > >>> Gav... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> I'm -1 for the reasons described at: > >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator- > >> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns- > >> [email protected]%3e > > > > Well, let's bring those reasons here: > > > > Quote: "... > > > > [1]I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt here. > > Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least > > demonstrate the community can deal with an awkward situation, just > > leaving it in the sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me. > > > > [2] But even if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling > that the > > libcloud > > community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see not > > just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer > > nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there > > hasn't been any real discussion that i've seen about what the > > graduation requirements are and why they've been met. > > > > [3]If for some reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not > seeing > > much > > evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What > do > > mentors/others think about this? > > > > ..." > > > > I've split them into 1,2,3 and address them here: > > > > [1] - Paul has already explained this to my satisfaction. A sandbox > area is > > fine for > > the java impl. The project need not have took it at all but they did. > Mainly > > one person > > works on this area currently and is happy with its progress. The > whole of a > > projects > > code need not be in a state of release for it to graduate from the > > incubator. Accepting > > the code and granting committer status and an area for this to be > developed > > shows > > that the community dealt with the situation just fine. > > > > [2] - One person doing the releases is fine for now. I know plenty of > other > > podlings that > > graduated with only one RM - in some cases with only one release. I > know > > plenty of > > Top Level Projects that have had the same RM for years. I am involved > with > > one such project. > > Over time, other committers will learn to see and nominate > prospective > > committers, again not > > a big deal IMHO and not something that other podlings have been > delayed for. > > Commit diversity: http://www.ohloh.net/p/libcloud/contributors?page=1 > shows > > 16 committers - yes > > Paul has done more than anyone else, but 316 out of 694 is less than > half > > total commits. Again > > I can show you many many projects where one committer has more than > double > > the next person, and > > especially when the project first starts out, that is just the way it > is, > > nothing to worry > > about IMHO. > > I am going to agree with you with regard to graduation requirements > to a > > point. It is up to the > > Mentors I feel to point out and help address these requirements if > they are > > not being met. We > > have been mostly hands off Mentors - which is fine, but it does show > that > > the project in the > > main has been moving along by itself. > > > > As both you and I have mentioned before, the only thing I can see > that I > > would like addressed > > is the question of diversity - would someone who is not a mentor > please edit > > the document > > at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html and put down > your > > employer if your > > employer is paying you to work on this project, otherwise simply > write > > 'independent' beside > > your name. I will hold back my vote until this is done. > > > > [3] - I don't want to speculate or penalise a project for something > that > > might or might not > > happen in the future and especially not knowing the state of the > project or > > the knowledge > > of the other committers at that time should it happen. It would be > wrong to > > hold a -1 to > > graduation based on this. > > > > -- > > > > So summary then Ant to your questions, I think overall I am satisfied > with > > the project and its > > committers readiness to graduate. In places I think you are perhaps > being a > > little too strict > > though I completely understand your reasonings. I guess I have a more > > liberal view of the > > incubator as a whole, and comparing libcloud with other projects that > I know > > to have graduated > > or failed, I feel they are generally in good stead, if a little lazy > on the > > paperwork. > > > > If I see that the http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html > page > > gets updated correctly > > as I have asked before the deadline, then my +1 will be forthcoming. > > > > > > Gav... > > > > > >> > >> ...ant > > > >
