It's difficult. I'm not a technologist, but I understand the issues and the user needs well. My "type," I'd surmise, is few and far between.
Security experts have obvious reasons for being conservative, and I get that. Nevertheless, there are a lot of users who would benefit from *a little bit* of added security. The question, then, as I see it, is: *How do we provide that little bit while still making users aware of risks?* On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <[email protected]> wrote: > I think guys like Jillian and Douglas should be more public with their > rhetoric. Really, I agree with your views, but I can't cup my ears to a > debate that the conservative security community is largely overwhelming me > in. > > NK > > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Jillian C. York <[email protected]>wrote: > >> +1. >> >> A *safer *web-based tool than Facebook chat with a GIANT WARNING is far >> better than everyone continuing to hold their discussions in insecure fora. >> >> I get the problem here, I do: You most certainly don't want people to >> think your tool is 100% safe when it's not. But moving to a browser add-on >> only doesn't solve the main problem: That many, many, *many* people who >> need encrypted chat do not control/admin the device on which they want to >> chat. >> >> If users were probably warned, would that satisfy others? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Douglas Lucas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Libtech and Nadim, >>> >>> Is it possible for both versions of crypto.cat to be available? That is >>> to say, maintain the existing version of quick, disposable chat rooms, >>> and then also create the new, more secure version with the XMPP and the >>> browser extension? >>> >>> I ask because in my experience it's easy to get "ordinary civilians" to >>> use current disposable crypto.cat chatrooms -- shoot them the link, and >>> suddenly they're off facebook or google chat, which they've heard enough >>> nasty things about already -- and in so doing, begin to lure them to >>> what some might call the dark arts. Whereas with the planned extension + >>> login/password version, the barrier to entry (at least for my target >>> demographic) is significantly higher. >>> >>> A devil's advocate could argue the existence of two versions would >>> disincentive people from ever moving to more secure methods, but I don't >>> have anything like the empirical numbers to know what would really >>> happen. >>> >>> In any case, crypto.cat is appreciated! >>> >>> :-Douglas >>> _______________________________________________ >>> liberationtech mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: >>> >>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>> >>> If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click >>> above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily >>> digest?" >>> >>> You will need the user name and password you receive from the list >>> moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: >>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>> >>> Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. >>> >>> Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *+1-857-891-4244 |** jilliancyork.com | @jilliancyork * >> >> "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want >> the seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel* >> >> >> >> > -- *+1-857-891-4244 |** jilliancyork.com | @jilliancyork * "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel*
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