On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <[email protected]>wrote:
> Nadim Kobeissi: > > > > On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be > >> presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations > >> in the US. > >> > >> It's interesting how much of the debate centers around the presence > >> of police at OHM, as if American hacker cons didn't have the head > >> of the NSA presenting keynotes. Or congratulating a child for doing > >> things an adult could be prosecuted for. I find it really hard to > >> pass judgement on OHM organizers when our own ecosystem is so > >> unbelievably toxic. > > > > Hear hear, Griffin. Also, Micah made some good points. > > > > Adding on what Griffin and Micah have saidI think OHM is an > > opportunity for those discussions to happen between legitimate people > > at a legitimate and exciting event. > > Legitimate? You mean the event that has driven away a number of people, > including those who don't feel safe but wanted to be a part of the > discussion? > > Using the word legitimate is a rhetorical disarming tactic in such a > social context. It declares a really contentious situation to be safe > for all when many have dissented. The social contract hasn't changed to > take their concerns into account, either. > > Pretty illegitimate if you ask me! > > > I myself am presenting a talk and > > a workshop at OHM and NoisySquare. > > Congratulations on your talk and workshop. > > > > > If you want to focus your ire on something, go take a look at how > > DEFCON and BlackHat are inviting NSA Director Keith Alexander to give > > the keynote! > > > > Why not both? The Dutch intelligence will be undercover watching OHM, > right? They're able to access and use NSA intercepts, much to the > previously quite over the top nationalist hackers chagrin. > > I suspect that Gen. A won't receive a warm welcome at Defcon or BlackHat > - though I wager he won't get the customary cream pie prank either. > Either way - this is a stark contrast to the "lets make a village" and > "our cops are fine and dandy" dialog I've heard from many people during > various OHM dialogs. > I have to agree with Jake here. While I am not choosing to boycott the event myself, I've also been very put off by the excuses made about the police presence. I also do not feel comfortable around police, and while I am pragmatically sympathetic to the fact that Dutch law requires some presence (correct me if I'm wrong), I do think that the concerns around this have been handled too lightly. > > All the best, > Jacob > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > -- US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 site: jilliancyork.com <http://jilliancyork.com/>* | * twitter: @jilliancyork* * "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel*
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