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On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Jurre andmore <[email protected]> wrote: > I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and > not in 2013. > > 2013/6/25 Jillian C. York <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Nadim Kobeissi: >>> > >>> > On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be >>> >> presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations >>> >> in the US. >>> >> >>> >> It's interesting how much of the debate centers around the presence >>> >> of police at OHM, as if American hacker cons didn't have the head >>> >> of the NSA presenting keynotes. Or congratulating a child for doing >>> >> things an adult could be prosecuted for. I find it really hard to >>> >> pass judgement on OHM organizers when our own ecosystem is so >>> >> unbelievably toxic. >>> > >>> > Hear hear, Griffin. Also, Micah made some good points. >>> > >>> > Adding on what Griffin and Micah have saidI think OHM is an >>> > opportunity for those discussions to happen between legitimate people >>> > at a legitimate and exciting event. >>> >>> Legitimate? You mean the event that has driven away a number of people, >>> including those who don't feel safe but wanted to be a part of the >>> discussion? >>> >>> Using the word legitimate is a rhetorical disarming tactic in such a >>> social context. It declares a really contentious situation to be safe >>> for all when many have dissented. The social contract hasn't changed to >>> take their concerns into account, either. >>> >>> Pretty illegitimate if you ask me! >>> >>> > I myself am presenting a talk and >>> > a workshop at OHM and NoisySquare. >>> >>> Congratulations on your talk and workshop. >>> >>> > >>> > If you want to focus your ire on something, go take a look at how >>> > DEFCON and BlackHat are inviting NSA Director Keith Alexander to give >>> > the keynote! >>> > >>> >>> Why not both? The Dutch intelligence will be undercover watching OHM, >>> right? They're able to access and use NSA intercepts, much to the >>> previously quite over the top nationalist hackers chagrin. >>> >>> I suspect that Gen. A won't receive a warm welcome at Defcon or BlackHat >>> - though I wager he won't get the customary cream pie prank either. >>> Either way - this is a stark contrast to the "lets make a village" and >>> "our cops are fine and dandy" dialog I've heard from many people during >>> various OHM dialogs. >>> >> >> I have to agree with Jake here. While I am not choosing to boycott the >> event myself, I've also been very put off by the excuses made about the >> police presence. I also do not feel comfortable around police, and while I >> am pragmatically sympathetic to the fact that Dutch law requires some >> presence (correct me if I'm wrong), I do think that the concerns around >> this have been handled too lightly. >> >>> >>> All the best, >>> Jacob >>> -- >>> Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by >>> emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings >>> at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 >> site: jilliancyork.com <http://jilliancyork.com/>* | * >> twitter: @jilliancyork* * >> >> "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want >> the seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel* >> >> -- >> Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by >> emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings at >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >> > > > > -- > With kind regards, > > Jurre van Bergen > > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > -- US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 site: jilliancyork.com <http://jilliancyork.com/>* | * twitter: @jilliancyork* * "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel*
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