I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and not in 2013.
2013/6/25 Jillian C. York <jilliancy...@gmail.com> > > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <ja...@appelbaum.net>wrote: > >> Nadim Kobeissi: >> > >> > On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce <griffinbo...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be >> >> presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations >> >> in the US. >> >> >> >> It's interesting how much of the debate centers around the presence >> >> of police at OHM, as if American hacker cons didn't have the head >> >> of the NSA presenting keynotes. Or congratulating a child for doing >> >> things an adult could be prosecuted for. I find it really hard to >> >> pass judgement on OHM organizers when our own ecosystem is so >> >> unbelievably toxic. >> > >> > Hear hear, Griffin. Also, Micah made some good points. >> > >> > Adding on what Griffin and Micah have saidI think OHM is an >> > opportunity for those discussions to happen between legitimate people >> > at a legitimate and exciting event. >> >> Legitimate? You mean the event that has driven away a number of people, >> including those who don't feel safe but wanted to be a part of the >> discussion? >> >> Using the word legitimate is a rhetorical disarming tactic in such a >> social context. It declares a really contentious situation to be safe >> for all when many have dissented. The social contract hasn't changed to >> take their concerns into account, either. >> >> Pretty illegitimate if you ask me! >> >> > I myself am presenting a talk and >> > a workshop at OHM and NoisySquare. >> >> Congratulations on your talk and workshop. >> >> > >> > If you want to focus your ire on something, go take a look at how >> > DEFCON and BlackHat are inviting NSA Director Keith Alexander to give >> > the keynote! >> > >> >> Why not both? The Dutch intelligence will be undercover watching OHM, >> right? They're able to access and use NSA intercepts, much to the >> previously quite over the top nationalist hackers chagrin. >> >> I suspect that Gen. A won't receive a warm welcome at Defcon or BlackHat >> - though I wager he won't get the customary cream pie prank either. >> Either way - this is a stark contrast to the "lets make a village" and >> "our cops are fine and dandy" dialog I've heard from many people during >> various OHM dialogs. >> > > I have to agree with Jake here. While I am not choosing to boycott the > event myself, I've also been very put off by the excuses made about the > police presence. I also do not feel comfortable around police, and while I > am pragmatically sympathetic to the fact that Dutch law requires some > presence (correct me if I'm wrong), I do think that the concerns around > this have been handled too lightly. > >> >> All the best, >> Jacob >> -- >> Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by >> emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >> > > > > -- > US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 > site: jilliancyork.com <http://jilliancyork.com/>* | * > twitter: @jilliancyork* * > > "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the > seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel* > > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > -- With kind regards, Jurre van Bergen
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