spot on. this is why I am planning on moving to the US.

Vic


Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The U.S. most certainly has culture.  It is a culture of excellence. 
> It is a culture of diversity.  It is a culture of creativity.  It is
> historically a culture of freedom and despite the efforts of some is
> still vastly more free than any other industrialized nation on earth.  
> 
> Where do you think Rock & Roll was invented?  Where was the assembly
> line created?  What nation has the best films? (and don't even try to
> claim it's anywhere in Europe or India because you'll be laughed at) 
> Where was Jazz created?  
> 
> Virtually every great invention in the last 150 years has come from
> America.  We also have some of the best artists in music, film, stage,
> painting, poetry, etc.  
> 
> America has a culture that embraces the best in all things and makes
> it our own.  The very best Mexicans, Black, Irish, Italians, Russians,
> Chinese, Indian, Persian, etc. people aren't in Mexico, Africa,
> Ireland, Italy, Russia, China, India, Iran, or anywhere else.  They
> are right here in America.  They got tired of their situation and
> instead of whining about it, they came here to work and build
> something better.  
> 
> The most productive, intelligent, hard-working, dedicated, and
> talented people on earth come to America for a chance to make it on
> thier own talents.  Many would run through a hail of bullets merely
> for the chance to vote and to live under capitalism.  These people are
> usually the ones in communist or socialist nations.
> 
> Because people are rewarded under capitalism, the best artists,
> doctors, lawyers, engineers, writers, scientists, and others come here
> where their dedication and hard work will pay off.  Every member of
> the Bolshoi Ballet would have given up everything they had for the
> chance to be a regular dancer on Broadway.  
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> --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Under communism, art flourished. For example, neither Bolshoi Ballet
> nor Kirow could ever achieve the artistic excellence they had when
> they were not "free". What killed  art, was capitalism, or rather a
> change of goals, from a spiritual/artistic, to  PROFITS FIRST.
> > Do you think USA has  culture? 
> > Please note, that culture is a foundation of every  enlightened
> society. 
> > Anna
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: mark robert 
> >   To: [email protected] 
> >   Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:42 AM
> >   Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....
> > 
> > 
> >   Anna,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   A gold-based economy is yet another topic. For purposes of this
> >   discussion, money is a scorecard for the amount of goods/services
> >   produced. In that sense, capitalism "values" art; artists are
> >   some of the richest people. Are you also trying to say that this
> >   system doesn't value the spiritual? Wrong again. Capitalism
> >   values anything that people value - the more free the market, the
> >   less the difference. If you disagree, please point to
> >   non-capitalist places that have bigger churches or more people
> >   with more time and money to pursue all sorts of traditional and
> >   non-traditional "spiritual" goals.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   -Mark
> > 
> > 
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> >     _____  
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> >   This would be only correct if money was backed by the real goods.
> > 
> >   Otherwise money is as good as the paper it is written one.
> >   This is actually the situation that  USA is now in. 
> > 
> >   What about other values?  A good model must also acknowledge
> >   spiritual needs. 
> >   Where does an artist fit in your society?
> >   Anna
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