and how about comparing it all to American slums?
Anna
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:13 PM
  Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....


  Actually, I've travelled all over the world, and without exception,
  the socialist and communist nations I've been to have a lower standard
  of living, the people are desperate to earn a living, they would give
  their own mother for the chance just to live in America.  I've been
  all over Europe, Asia, and South America so I've got plenty to compare to.



  --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >
  > You must be joking, I have been living in USA for over 230 years. It
  is not a matter of a  personal view, but a comparative view.
  > Perhaps your beliefs are caused by the fact  that you have nothing
  else to compare to.
  > Anna
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Paul 
  >   To: [email protected] 
  >   Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:56 AM
  >   Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....
  > 
  > 
  >   Yes, and sadly for you, you weren't.  Perhaps this is why you have
  >   such a hard time understanding concepts like freedom, capitalism, and
  >   art.  They are more abundant here than anywhere else.  
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >   --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >   >
  >   > You must be then raised in USA. 
  >   > Anna
  >   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   >   From: Paul 
  >   >   To: [email protected] 
  >   >   Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:39 PM
  >   >   Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....
  >   > 
  >   > 
  >   >   Yes, I have been to a real opera.  I've been to several and most
  >   >   aren't as entertaining as a good movie.  
  >   > 
  >   > 
  >   > 
  >   >   --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >   >   >
  >   >   > Perhaps to you, have ever been to a real opera?
  >   >   > Anna
  >   >   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   >   >   From: Paul 
  >   >   >   To: [email protected] 
  >   >   >   Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:51 AM
  >   >   >   Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....
  >   >   > 
  >   >   > 
  >   >   >   Movies are most certainly art.  They are every bit as much 
  >   >   >   an artform as painting, sculpture, dance, poetry, 
  >   >   >   and dance performance.
  >   >   > 
  >   >   > 
  >   >   > 
  >   >   >   --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  wrote:
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   > Movies are not art, although they give a pretense of being
  >   an art.
  >   >   >   > It is a craft. 
  >   >   >   > Anna
  >   >   >   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   >   >   >   From: mark robert 
  >   >   >   >   To: [email protected] 
  >   >   >   >   Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:00 AM
  >   >   >   >   Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....
  >   >   >   > 
  >   >   >   > 
  >   >   >   >   Giving us your personal artistic preference does little to
  >   defend
  >   >   >   >   your bizarre claim that capitalism doesn't value art.
  Neither
  >   >   >   >   does giving us your bizarre opinion that America has no
  >   culture.
  >   >   >   >   All these prove is your narrow taste. You deny the fact
  >   that the
  >   >   >   >   capitalist West produces by far the most art and
  artists. You
  >   >   >   >   deny movies, actors, music, musicians, etc. Jacob's
  Ladder and
  >   >   >   >   Dark Side of the Moon are amongst the greatest of all
  artistic
  >   >   >   >   masterpieces.
  >   >   >   > 
  >   >   >   > 
  >   >   >   > 
  >   >   >   >   -Mark
  >   >   >   > 
  >   >   >   > 
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  >   >   >   > 
  >   >   >   > 
  >   >   >   >     _____  
  >   >   >   > 
  >   >   >   >   Under communism, art flourished. For example, neither
  Bolshoi
  >   >   >   >   Ballet nor Kirow could ever achieve the artistic
  >   excellence they
  >   >   >   >   had when they were not "free". What killed  art, was
  >   capitalism,
  >   >   >   >   or rather a change of goals, from a spiritual/artistic, to
  >   >   >   >   PROFITS FIRST.
  >   >   >   >   Do you think USA has  culture? 
  >   >   >   >   Please note, that culture is a foundation of every 
  >   enlightened
  >   >   >   >   society. 
  >   >   >   >   Anna
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