Born = Created.  

There is no "pre-emption" of our rights by anyone including whomever
we consider our "creator" to be, whether that is our parents, nature,
or some sort of made up diety like the judeo-christian concept of "god".



--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > Wrong.  My position is 100% consistent at all times.  An "unborn
> > child" has no rights because there is no such thing as an unborn
> > child.  Until the moment it leaves the body of the host, it is a
> > biological parasite.  And as I said, nothing inside my body has any
> > rights because I alone own my body and all of its contents.  I have
> > sole dominion over my body and make all life and death decisions for
> > the organisms within the body and even for my body.  Nobody else on
> > earth has any claim to my body, including the organisms within my
> > body.  The combined population of the planet earth minus me has no
> > legitimate say what-so-ever in what I do or don't do with my body or
> > the organisms within.
> >
> > ALL LIBERTARIANS....I repeat....ALL LIBERTARIANS believe in complete
> > self-ownership of our body and everything inside of our body.
> >
> 
> 
> As the Dude on the Deuce postulated in 1776, all Men are created
equal and
> are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.
> 
> Not "born" equal. Created equal. The baby has a human mother and a human
> father and therefore is not likely a giraffe. The baby could die in the
> womb and therefore is alive, because one of the prerequisites for
dying is
> that you must be alive to do it. The baby is a living human being. The
> mother's Creator-given right to sole control of her body has been
> pre-empted by her Creator for the time being by endowing the baby
with the
> right of parasitic feeding, just as the kid's Creator-given right to
> liberty is later restricted by the mother's Creator-given right to
> restrain the kid in a stroller at the mall.
> 
> Tell your kindergarten kid to invite a classmate to live with you,
and the
> classmate accepts, and see how long it is before the government
dispatches
> gun-toting goons in bulletproof vests to enforce the parents' right to
> raise their kid. ("That to secure these Rights, Governments are
instituted
> among Men...") You were violating the parents' Creator-given right to
> raise their child. Likewise, the Creator-given right of the baby to life
> can be enforced by the State.
> 
> Tom Alciere
> smart person with correct opinions
>










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