This is very superficial view. If NDE would not exist, then why people are experiencing it? And seeing the same scenarios? Are they all liars? Some of the people are the doctors themselves shocked by what happened to them. Please, study it first before you make such opinion.
What is important here is the testimony of the people who have experienced it and the doctors who can testify that during that time the patients were DEAD and somehow miraculously came back to life, some even with the restored health. Some of the people had a death certificate already issued, so how could they be dreaming then? A progressive society cannot be strictly materialistic. In fact, the human quest is not for money or comfort in life, but to know if there is any sense to life and if one survives death. Not knowing the answers, makes human life desperately senseless. Human behavior is often dictated by this ignorance. If life ends at death, and there is nothing there, then ""who cares if I kill or not, why should I be honest, honesty is for suckers etc..." IMHO, true happiness can only come with knowing one's place in the universe. When you die, you can't take anything with you, but what you know. I do oppose all religions, but spirituality and religion are two different things. While spirituality enriches, religion enslaves. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 1:02 AM Subject: objective vs subjective Re: [Libertarian] Re: Socialism/Capitalism of the A N.D.E. (Near Death Experience) DOES NOT EXIST so have the courtesy to refrain from mentioning it. There is no such thing as NDE. When we approach death (but are not dead), our brains start shutting down. When this happens the brain has hallucinations. This has been tested by several scientists and documented. The exact same thing happens when pilots are put through gravity tests and spun on a large centrifuge. Their brain loses blood and they go unconscious and they have the exact same hallucinations as people on operating tables. There is no difference. But hey, don't take my word for it. Feel free to check out the episode of "Bullshit" where Penn & Teller interview several of the top scientists at Cal Tech, and other locations where they describe this common physiological reaction. Even during these tests, beta brain waves exist, just as they do in the patients you incorrectly claimed lacked them. Empirical evidence and the field of neurology most certainly backs up what I've said with regard to HUMAN sentience. Nice try, but no cigar. --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > < A person is a sentient > being. Sentience is measured in beta brain waves> > > A sentient being is also a fly. Sentience depends on consciousness and mind. > Beta waves are not the only waves in the universe that transmit and receive information. During their NDE none of the people have shown any beta waves activity, yet they were conscious. > You cannot use a fact of the limited means of a discovery as evidence of truth. Empirical evidence shows that lack of beta waves is not a proof regarding lack or presence of sentience. > > Anna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:47 PM > Subject: objective vs subjective Re: [Libertarian] Re: Socialism/Capitalism of the A > > > A person is NOT a biological parasite (physically connected to and > living within the body of a human being). A person is a sentient > being. Sentience is measured in beta brain waves. A person has > rights, and nothing inside the body of a person has rights. > > Human DNA does not make a human being. Nor does having hands, feet, > fingers, toes, eyes, a nose, or a beating heart. Nor do reflexive > actions such as sucking a thumb, response to stimuli such as pain, etc. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Please, define a person. > > Anna > > > > > > > > From: mark robert > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:53 AM > > Subject: RE: objective vs subjective Re: [Libertarian] Re: > Socialism/Capitalism of the A > > > > > > It is. But it is in context to the "person". If I were one of two > > Libertarians stuck on a desert island, I would choose to eat a > > sea turtle before my mate. Libertarians do harm everyday: they > > EAT. It's just not to people. Everything is relative, and fetuses > > just don't rank quite up to a full person. 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