Vic,
I am not arguing that a lot of people don't agree it's the state's job to protect them from themselves. I AM arguing that such "protection" is not constitutional or libertarian. I AM arguing that it's a violation of our basic freedom (to live as we want as long as we don't directly violate any one else's). I AM arguing that your argument consists of a common logical fallacy: popularity is no justification or proof of anything other than popularity. If you think seatbelt and helmet laws don't violate freedoms, go ahead and break them and get yourself pulled over - we will await your report on how the things you were forced to do (and not do) and moneys you were forced to pay were not violations of your freedoms. -Mark PS: You win. After careful consideration, I changed my mind. In fact, I have some more ideas to force-protect people from themselves even better. I think there should also be helmet laws for cars. It's been proven over and over that helmets reduce injuries from automobile accidents, and full-face helmets reduce even more. After that, we should not stop. Similar studies exist for full fire suits and HANS Devices. That's just the driving requirements; let's not forget the prohibitions. Safety would be certainly be increased by outlawing all non-fireproof clothing, all radios and stereos, all talking, any speed over 20mph, all night driving, any gas tanks over 5-gallon capacity, all open windows (bees can fly in), and (of course) all cell phones and tinted windows. Yeah, I'll be calling my congressman to get right on these things right away - NOT. (Now who is out on a limb?) _____ seat belt and helmet laws are another reason why you loose public support. no one thinks that seat belt laws are a violation of your freedoms. it comes down to the simple question does the state have the right to prevent you hurting yourself and people overwhelmingly say yes. the LP is out on a limb with this issue. Vic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/U6CDDD/izNLAA/cUmLAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
